Lighter car my ass:

6i = 141lbs heavier
6s = 169lbs heavier

fuck that.

 

And yet in 4 cylinder form, still faster and more efficient than that WEAK 6i engine you have.

 

And yet in 4 cylinder form, still faster and more efficient than that WEAK 6i engine you have.[/b]

No proof of that yet. Any numbers dished out have been on the 6s. I don't care if it's faster than mine because it's not what I bought. Hell, it would even be more depressing if, with a bored engine/direct injection/more hp/more torque throughout the rpm range, if it wasn't faster.

Sorry I don't have penis envy and don't need a larger engine, you fucking baby.

 

Lighter car my ass:

6i = 141lbs heavier
6s = 169lbs heavier

fuck that.[/b]

Considering that it gained 7 inches in length and 4.5 inches gain in the wheelbase that is pretty good.

 

The Euro version weighed less than the outgoing model, so gaining roughly 200lbs over the Euro model is not pretty good.

 

No proof of that yet. Any numbers dished out have been on the 6s. I don't care if it's faster than mine because it's not what I bought. Hell, it would even be more depressing if, with a bored engine/direct injection/more hp/more torque throughout the rpm range, if it wasn't faster.[/b]

So then I guess no proof is needed after all, eh?

Sorry I don't have penis envy and don't need a larger engine, you fucking baby.[/b]

Now, now. :nono: No need to get all touchy and sound like a menstrating bitch. You may not have penis envy, but sounds like having a slow ass car has that other effect on you; it makes you a defensive little prick. :nana:

 

So then I guess no proof is needed after all, eh?[/b]

Stock vs stock it should be faster. I hope it is. It'd be sad for an outgoing model to have better performance than the new one (lancer, anyone?)

Now, now. :nono: No need to get all touchy and sound like a menstrating bitch. You may not have penis envy, but sounds like having a slow ass car has that other effect on you; it makes you a defensive little prick. :nana:[/b]

Aww! Look at the little grumpies! You're so CUTE! I bet you're fun to have at all the parties, sulking in the corner with your emo haircut!

 

I'm still not 100% sure on this new car.
It's bigger than a Camry but it doesn't look bigger in photos.

To anyone here who has driven the new NA 6:
How is the turning circle?

 

well i just dont' know. did I read that right about the manual transmission getting worst gas mileage verses the automatic?

 

compared with euro version:

wheelbase:
euro - 107.3 in
n/a - 109.8


length:
euro - 186.4
n/a - 193.7


width:
euro - 70.7
n/a - 72.4

 

Obviously, Mazda doesnt have a crystal ball, so they couldnt have known gas was going to go through the roof. Growing the car was a mistake. Short of that, the new 6 looks well thought out. I think Mazda did a decent job with the NA version, but the JDM model is still more appealing.

 

Offical Spec in on the Mazda USA web site, go check it out~~~~

 

Consider It Fixed
"So with all of its major flaws corrected, the 2009 Mazda 6 now sits squarely in the middle of the midsize family sedan segment. It's no longer the sedan to buy just to be different, although its appealing shape still counts for something in a class dominated by soulless styling. "

Sadly, part of the original car's appeal was that is was different than the rest in this class. Many of us bought for nearly that reason alone. Oh, well. I reserve judgement until seeing and driving it in person.

 

Once I learned last weekend that the trunk space was 16.6 cu ft, 2 cu ft larger then Accord, I knew the 6 was going to be big. I really need to see it in person to get a good feel for it's size.

Mazda did a great job with the CX-9 in hiding its true size by it's very sporty styling. It looks like they did it here as well.

Also, I like the fact that the 2.5L is not just a bored out 2.3L. They only share the engine block, and nothing else. The engine is all new is every other aspect.

I will reserve final judgement until I get my hands on one. So far, I like what I see.

 

I'd still buy it over the other cars in its class.

 

Gee, I don't know. There are definitely pros and cons. A lot of my recent posts have been about my worry over the bloat factor. I'll say this. All 3 reviews agree that nothing has been lost in the handling/cornering department--in which case blowing it up without changing what made the old Mazda 6 such a delight to drive is a real triumph. A lot of people on this forum over the years were glum about the power; now there's more power, and in the case of the 6 much more. Note also that one of the reviews mentioned that the turning radius was shortened by over 3 feet. Turning radius has been one of my pet peeves about the current model. This too is a plus. The interior as well is much better. Will all these pluses outweigh in my mind the extra bulk? I'll have to see it and drive it. Meanwhile I'm going to reserve judgment. If in the end I throw a fit and start throwing fucks and shits around, it will be because I actually got my hands on the car and found myself gravely let down. But I'm not there yet.

Since I bought my '04 I've closed in on the demographic Mazda is now apparently aiming at with the new 6. So maybe I'll be delighted with it because I'm that much closer to being an old fart .

I think we all ought to take a few deep breaths and remember (as Crossbow and Stretch often used to say in the old days) that the Mazda 6 is and has been from the beginning a FAMILY SEDAN. The original 6 was a family sedan with sporty pretensions. In many areas of performance, above all handling, it matched those pretensions. But again, it was basically a family sedan from the get go, and that's what it will remain. Those who really want something other than a family sedan should move to a WRX or its competitors in the class, or spring for a BMW 3 series, which remains the gold standard of the true sports sedan. I've actually been thinking seriously about going German. Whether I'll want to commit the bucks in 2010 when I'm ready to trade, remains to be seen. But I'm not ready to cross the new Mazda 6 off my list sight unseen and in the absence of a test drive.

 

Aww! Look at the little grumpies! You're so CUTE! I bet you're fun to have at all the parties, sulking in the corner with your emo haircut![/b]

That was akin to driving a WAY underpowered ugly-baby-poop green colored 4-banger automatic sedan. (i.e., :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: )

 

Gee, I don't know. There are definitely pros and cons. A lot of my recent posts have been about my worry over the bloat factor. I'll say this. All 3 reviews agree that nothing has been lost in the handling/cornering department--in which case blowing it up without changing what made the old Mazda 6 such a delight to drive is a real triumph. A lot of people on this forum over the years were glum about the power; now there's more power, and in the case of the 6 much more. Note also that one of the reviews mentioned that the turning radius was shortened by over 3 feet. Turning radius has been one of my pet peeves about the current model. This too is a plus. The interior as well is much better. Will all these pluses outweigh in my mind the extra bulk? I'll have to see it and drive it. Meanwhile I'm going to reserve judgment. If in the end I throw a fit and start throwing fucks and shits around, it will be because I actually got my hands on the car and found myself gravely let down. But I'm not there yet.

Since I bought my '04 I've closed in on the demographic Mazda is now apparently aiming at with the new 6. So maybe I'll be delighted with it because I'm that much closer to being an old fart .

I think we all ought to take a few deep breaths and remember (as Crossbow and Stretch often used to say in the old days) that the Mazda 6 is and has been from the beginning a FAMILY SEDAN. The original 6 was a family sedan with sporty pretensions. In many areas of performance, above all handling, it matched those pretensions. But again, it was basically a family sedan from the get go, and that's what it will remain. Those who really want something other than a family sedan should move to a WRX or its competitors in the class, or spring for a BMW 3 series, which remains the gold standard of the true sports sedan. I've actually been thinking seriously about going German. Whether I'll want to commit the bucks in 2010 when I'm ready to trade, remains to be seen. But I'm not ready to cross the new Mazda 6 off my list sight unseen and in the absence of a test drive.[/b]

Quoted for total agreement, since I also have a '04, looking to replace it in 2010, and I'm also closer to being an old fart (yet still drive like a young kid!)

And TJ also got it right... Compared to the CamCord, the Malibu, the Fusion/Milan, the Altima, and everything else in this class, the 6 still has it beat in looks, much like the first-gen did when I bought it in '04. If it still drives and handles as well as the first-gen, despite the "huge" weight increase, I'm sold.

 

I don't think the 141-169 lbs in gain is that bad considering the size growth. If the weight gain is evenly distributed throughout the car instead of adding majority of it to the front or rear, I don't think people will really notice the extra weight. Also remember that a good portion of weight gain is probably also attributed to mandatory safety features (which I would rather have) as well as stiffening up the chassis even more. And with a stiffer chassis, that will definitely improve handling characteristics regardless of the extra plumping. And as a bonus, a 3+ ft shorter turning radius. That should definitely make you autocrossers happy as well as us driving around in cramped parking lots or doing u-turns.

Paul

P.S.

I think you 4-bangers will be happy getting a 6-speed manual.

 

It is amazing how some people here are changing their tune about the new 6, for the better!

 

It is amazing how some people here are changing their tune about the new 6, for the better![/b]

That's what happens when people actually get hard figures and impressions, instead of dumb guesses and off-based speculations...

One minor gripe: All I've seen are pics in red and black, why aren't any of the others colors shown?

 

I'm pretty sure it won't fit in my garage. My 6 has maybe 6" to spare nose to tail... not great news there. But, everything else sounds fine. Though I don't see replacing my current 6 for another 8-9 years, I'm looking hard at replacing my Saturn next year.

 

I find it very interesting that these "official" reviewers are so down on the outgoing 6's appearance and performance. As I recall, these same magazines handed it numerous awards when it was introduced. Yes, it is time to upgrade the model, but that shouldn't detract from the car that was introduced 6 years ago. I can't stand it when reviewers talk about outgoing models as being low quality when they heralded their entrance into the market. Competition means that cars will become obsolete, but that shouldn't lead us to redefine our opinions of them during their time.

 

+1 I tough they praised the first gen MZ6. But then again, these are all american reviews!

 

Based on standard equipment on the new 2009, I do like the i-Grand Touring model. I just need to get over the looks, but then again, I might fall in love with it when I see it in person. Also, these same magazines I think were saying how leading edge the design of the Mazda6 was and stuff when it was first introduced. The way they talk about it now, it seems like the original Mazda6 was such a horrible car that did not cater to anyone's needs which is sad that they talk about it like that.