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2014 GT Instrument Cluster/ABS/Brake issue

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#1 · (Edited)
Ok, new here and need some advice please. Something of a long story so please bare with me:

Couple months ago I bought a used 2014 Mazda 6 Grand Touring with the technology package from a dealership. Came with about 39k miles. After about a week of driving I got a warning: Battery management system inspection required. I had just bought it so I figured it should be ok, I went ahead and disconnected the negative terminal on the battery for a minute then reconnected it, warning was gone.

Over the next week or so the warning came and went a few times until I went to start my car and the battery was dead. I went ahead and hooked a charger up to it and after a few hours it started up and everything was fine. Over the next few days it kept happening, especially when left over night so I took the battery out, check the water levels, left it on a 2 amp charge for 24 hours and put it back in. Went to try and start it and it wouldn't turn over. I had to have the charger hooked up while I tried to start it to give it enough power to start one more time, after that it wouldn't start with that battery no matter what.

So I went ahead and bought a new Optima Yellowtop and put it in (it should be noted that this was the first time I read up on how to disconnect the battery in the manual and up until now I had not disconnected the wire hooked up to the negative terminal, the one that powers some sensors?, before disconnecting the negative terminal). Car started right up, however, several warning lights on the instrument cluster were on and the speedometer no longer worked.

Here are the exact lights that are on on the instrument cluster:

On the right information screen I get check engine, Brake system inspection required, TPMS inspection, Keyless system inspection, SCBS inspections, power steering failure (the wheel is indeed slightly harder to turn now), and FOW inspection

The warning lights to the left: Check engine, traction control (regular warning light and the one with the "OFF" below the symbol are both on), AFS off (blinking), BSM off (blinking unless I push the button, then it stays solid), air bag, tire pressure, ABS, Brake (!), and the Master warning light.

I grabbed an alternator tester and sure enough, the alternator was in the process of failing. I ordered a new alternator and installed it. Testing this new alternator comes up just fine, working as it should be, but all the lights listed above are still on.

Now at some point after all those lights came on there ended up being a real (I'm guessing) check engine issue. I hooked up an OBDII and I'm getting the error code U0121: Lost communication with anti-lock brake system control module. Now before this issue with the battery and the alternator happened I did (well, still do) have an issue with the brakes OCCASIONALLY making a grinding sound. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Sometimes its somewhat loud, sometimes it's rather quiet. I went ahead and changed the rear brake pads, even though they appeared to still be in good shape. I figured I already bought new ones and I have them off, might as well just put the new ones in. I also had a close look at the front pads, and they are fine also but I didn't change them.

So that's about where I am right now. The only thing I can really think it would be is either some kind of sensor for the brakes is either broken or dirty (about to check all four after I post this message), or that Optima Yellowtop battery doesn't like the i-Eloop braking system and I have to fork out $400 for a Q85 battery from Mazda.

Any input at all is very much appreciated, thank you.

Edit: I also thought I should add that the i-Eloop is working, when I switch to the info screen for it it appears to be running normally. And I also did try to clear the check engine code with my OBD, doesn't go away. And I don't know if it's relevant but I have to do the emergency shut off (pushing start/stop button several times) to turn my car off since the instrument cluster went crazy.
 
#2 ·
Welcome to the forum! Sorry to hear you're having issues.

For anyone else wandering into this thread - TL;DR: Battery issues led to replacing battery and alternator, but while some things now work, still getting check engine lights indicating that the ABS isn't communicating (code U0121). Not sure if it has to do with being non-OEM battery on i-Eloop system.

Unfortunately, it sounds like you've got some sort of electrical gremlin going on, and those are both difficult to diagnose and more difficult to fix.

Beyond the ABS code, has the new battery/alternator combo been behaving properly, indicating that your initial problems were (most likely) all caused by the failing alternator? If so, we can probably disregard the majority of your initial issues as being results of that, and focus mainly on whether or not Mazda requires their own battery to behave properly with the i-Eloop system.
 
#3 ·
Yes, besides the check engine code and my instrument cluster thinking it's Christmas time with all the lights it's flashing at me, the new battery and alternator seem to be working perfectly fine. Just checked battery level today, charged to 95% and voltage is right where it should be. Alternator testing just fine as well.

I also thought I should add that the i-Eloop is working, when I switch to the info screen for it it appears to be running normally. And I also did try to clear the check engine code with my OBD, doesn't go away.
 
#4 ·
I would disconnect the negative terminal from the battery (car off, of course) and then leave the car FOR SEVERAL HOURS SITTING. This will make sure that ALL of the residual power in the capacitors in the various modules have discharged.

Then re-connect it and see where you are.

Best guess is that something got badly scrambled in one or more modules and one or more of them is "screaming" on the CANBus, which will screw up communications (it's a CSMA/CD bus technology sort of like old-style Ethernet, so a module that goes insane can do this sort of thing.)

This MAY clear it or may not, but it's zero-cost and as such is definitely worth trying.
 
#6 ·
Bummer... that sucks.

Electrical problems like this are a severe pain in the butt..... fixing them once you find them is not so bad, but figuring out where the problem is...

One other "zero cost" thing to check -- make absolutely certain all the fuses are good and solidly inserted. I've seen this sort of thing happen when a fuse blows or is loose on a given circuit, and suddenly all sorts of unrelated things appear to fail at once. Same deal, basically -- the "bad" circuit results in a module "screaming" on the CANBus with all sorts of bizarre things resulting from that.