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Problem shifting into 1st and 2nd. Solution?

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#1 ·
For about a year now it has been difficult to shift into 1st gear. It all started when I installed the staged II sSTS with a weighted shift knob. I noticed that there seemed to be more play in the knob while in gear. But with just that installed I didn't have a problem going into 1st like I do now.

Shortly after I took the car to the dealer for the clutch tsb. I had 47k miles on the car while warranty ended at 50k. They did the clutch tsb even with these many miles and the short shifter. So I got the car back. I spent a while trying to get used to the new clutch while not really paying attention to the shift knob. But after a while I noticed that it was very difficult to go into 1st gear. Especially in the cold or when the car isn't warmed up. I tried adjusting the cable like shown in the picturre below.

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Seemed to get some of the "slack" out of the cable and for a more tighter feel. This felt great for a day or 2. After that I was getting completely locked out of 1st gear. So I set it back to where it was originally. So after time it's getting worse. I now have to put the knob all the way to the left then go forward. Its like hitting a wall. While holding pressure on that I have to jiggle it left to right while pushing forward to get it to slide into 1st.

Once it's time to shift into 2nd the shifter doesn't go straight back in a straight line like it used to. It's almost diagonal towards where it rests in nuetral. Then back over to the left to get in second. Even then it is like it is hitting a snag and there is a clunk in the shifter itself and it's pretty loud because I can hear it coming from the tranny. Going into 3rd feels like it has a slight kick back every time. going to 4th is flawless and so is 5th. But 6th has always seem odd since you have to hold to the right and kind of shake it a little to go back.

I don't know a whole lot about manuals as far as mechanics. But could this just be a simple linkage issue? I have checked all the linkage and it seems fine with the exception that mazda didn't put the clips back on near the tranny to hold the cables out of the way. But they are stiff enough to where I can't move them by hand. i just used wire ties to hold them in case. I didn't see an improvement by doing so btw.

I honestly don't think the tranny is the problem. There is no winning in any gear and clutch is smoothly engaged once the next gear is found. Should i just replace the linkage cables. Possibility mazda had bent these while installing the clutch?


Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have posted this in another forum a while back and got no help. I have searched many internet forums in regards to manual transmissions and haven't found a clear answer.

Thanks,
-Qwik6
 
#2 ·
Maybe it's an issue of the clutch not depressing enough to fully disengage. Maybe try the clutch pedal adjustment and back the pedal away frontline the firewall and make the plynger longer
 
#3 ·
QUOTE (MS686 @ Dec 20 2009, 11:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624394
Maybe it's an issue of the clutch not depressing enough to fully disengage. Maybe try the clutch pedal adjustment and back the pedal away frontline the firewall and make the plynger longer[/b]
Sorry to tell you bad news but about 2 months ago i took my stage 2 SS out because i had the same problem...installed the stock back in and i can shift much smoother now
 
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QUOTE (MS686 @ Dec 21 2009, 02:30 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624394
Maybe it's an issue of the clutch not depressing enough to fully disengage. Maybe try the clutch pedal adjustment and back the pedal away frontline the firewall and make the plynger longer[/b]
I have already done the clutch pedal adjustment. Its fully disengaging since when depressed the car isn't creeping forward.
 
#5 ·
QUOTE (Qwik6 @ Dec 21 2009, 01:41 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624387
...But after a while I noticed that it was very difficult to go into 1st gear. Especially in the cold or when the car isn't warmed up. ..[/b]
certainly sounds like a mechanical/hydraulic issue but this statement caught my eye...
if the issue disappears after warm up.. could be the type of tranny fluid youre usin.. btw.. im startin to have the same issue gettin into first.. also have a short shift..
 
#6 ·
I was running mt90 then switched to amsoil. Heres the thing. When I drained the tranny oil after taking it to mazda automatic transmission fluid came out. Atleast thats what it looked and smelled like. It was red.
 
#7 ·
QUOTE (Qwik6 @ Dec 21 2009, 05:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624504
I was running mt90 then switched to amsoil. Heres the thing. When I drained the tranny oil after taking it to mazda automatic transmission fluid came out. Atleast thats what it looked and smelled like. It was red.[/b]
How long was the ATF in there for?
 
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QUOTE (mpsanger6 @ Dec 21 2009, 06:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624514
How long was the ATF in there for?[/b]
About 2 months.

QUOTE (chiefmg @ Dec 21 2009, 06:53 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624519
Probably need to adjust your shift cables. Mine is a little reluctant to go into first as well, haven't really thought much about it but a recent development on a shift plate for our cars shows that it might need adjusting when you change from the stock shifter.[/b]
Is this done where my hand is in the picture? I also don't know how I would adjust the other cable since there is no adjustment. And what is this about a shift plate??
 
#10 ·
QUOTE (Qwik6 @ Dec 21 2009, 07:59 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624541
About 2 months.



Is this done where my hand is in the picture? I also don't know how I would adjust the other cable since there is no adjustment. And what is this about a shift plate??[/b]
Sorry, just skimmed your original post and didn't see you had tried adjusting. Still you might not have done it quite right, from what I know you need to adjust both cables to get it correct. If you are a member over on 247, there is a thread in the 6 section (engine/transmission) where a guy jbarone (who has made a short shift plate for the MS3) is making one for our cars. If you go through the thread he has a video posted showing how to adjust the shift cables.
 
#11 ·
I will look into that. Thanks a lot.
 
#12 ·
QUOTE (chiefmg @ Dec 21 2009, 09:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624550
Sorry, just skimmed your original post and didn't see you had tried adjusting. Still you might not have done it quite right, from what I know you need to adjust both cables to get it correct. If you are a member over on 247, there is a thread in the 6 section (engine/transmission) where a guy jbarone (who has made a short shift plate for the MS3) is making one for our cars. If you go through the thread he has a video posted showing how to adjust the shift cables.[/b]
<strike>linky?</strike>
nvm - here?
 
#14 ·
Thanks I pm'd him asking him a few questions.

I found out by removing the shift cable like where the stage 1 sts moves it. And putting it back on the stock point shifting is much easier now. I didn't think it would work with the shorter shifter but you can change it back to the factory spot no problems. There is still a lot of play in 1st and second gears though. I ordered the MS3 shift plate. A different guy said it would work on the ms6. So I will see if that works and how well it works at that.
 
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QUOTE (Qwik6 @ Dec 22 2009, 03:33 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624764
Thanks I pm'd him asking him a few questions.

I found out by removing the shift cable like where the stage 1 sts moves it. And putting it back on the stock point shifting is much easier now. I didn't think it would work with the shorter shifter but you can change it back to the factory spot no problems. There is still a lot of play in 1st and second gears though. I ordered the MS3 shift plate. A different guy said it would work on the ms6. So I will see if that works and how well it works at that.[/b]
ANy Success??
I think I will have to try this adjustment? I have the stage 2 TWM.. I hope the 2006 speed6 is the same as his video.
 
#16 ·
QUOTE (morgan2112 @ Dec 27 2009, 11:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1625801
ANy Success??
I think I will have to try this adjustment? I have the stage 2 TWM.. I hope the 2006 speed6 is the same as his video.[/b]
Installed the shift plate on saturday. There are a couple issues with adjustment on this since its for the speed3. I can't full adjust id back since it hits going into second gear. Also can't adjust it all the way forward since it hits on the stock location for the linkage. I have it centered and its working perfect. Nuetral is a little bit more forward but I like that. Shifts are closer when going 2-3, 4-5.

On a side not I hear a lot of guys with higher mileage speed3's are starting to having trouble shifting into gears. Similar issues to what I have. They run Motorcraft XT-M5-QS. They said it was a night and day difference on shifting. Much better than Redline oils or any other could come close to. So I am gonna run to my local ford dealer tomarrow and buy a few quarts of this stuff and change the fluid. I will let you guys know how this stuff works out.
 
#17 ·
QUOTE (Qwik6 @ Dec 20 2009, 10:41 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624387
For about a year now it has been difficult to shift into 1st gear. It all started when I installed the staged II sSTS with a weighted shift knob. I noticed that there seemed to be more play in the knob while in gear. But with just that installed I didn't have a problem going into 1st like I do now.[/b]
Was it immediately after the install or shortly after that the issues arose? I have a Stage II w/ bushings and no problems yet... though I've only driven a couple thousand miles with it. Any luck yet Qwik?

QUOTE (amp @ Dec 21 2009, 08:34 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624445
certainly sounds like a mechanical/hydraulic issue but this statement caught my eye...
if the issue disappears after warm up.. could be the type of tranny fluid youre usin.. btw.. im startin to have the same issue gettin into first.. also have a short shift..[/b]
Is your a stage I or II? And how long after the install did you have issues with 1st?

I also did the Redline tranny fluid and transfer case the same day as the shifter. I do notice that the shifter sits off center to the left vs. the stocker, but causes no problems at all. I've been lucky though I guess (for once), and so far it has been amazing.
 
#18 ·
Qwik, how'd the new fluid work out? I'd like to replace mine in the spring and haven't decided what to use yet. I still have my Stage II STS waiting to go in, and I hadn't heard of many problems until this thread. Let us know how things feel after the fluid swap.
 
#19 ·
QUOTE (Qwik6 @ Dec 21 2009, 05:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1624504
I was running mt90 then switched to amsoil. Heres the thing. When I drained the tranny oil after taking it to mazda automatic transmission fluid came out. Atleast thats what it looked and smelled like. It was red.[/b]


some manufacturers do use ATX style fluid on the MTX's as well, mainly because of the detergents in it, and it helps keep deposits from building. they do this with the thought of the car owner possibly never changing the fluid in the MTX so it needs all the help it can get.

gear oils are very good and just fine as long as you change it regualarly.
 
#20 ·
QUOTE (OJ Bartley @ Jan 4 2010, 12:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1627187
Qwik, how'd the new fluid work out? I'd like to replace mine in the spring and haven't decided what to use yet. I still have my Stage II STS waiting to go in, and I hadn't heard of many problems until this thread. Let us know how things feel after the fluid swap.[/b]
SO Qwik, how'd the new fluid work out? I am about to go check the local Ford dealership here..

-PEACE-
 
#21 ·
QUOTE (morgan2112 @ Jan 9 2010, 06:14 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1628500
SO Qwik, how'd the new fluid work out? I am about to go check the local Ford dealership here..

-PEACE-[/b]
No. the car still shifts like ass. So much im ready to sell it. It's annoying having to fight to put the car in each gear day in and day out for months. I may revert it back to stock and do away with the stage 2 and shift plate to see if this makes a difference.

If any1 has a stock knob they would like to sell let me know. This desert eagle knob is like a piece of ice in the winter.
 
#22 ·
I've had similar problem, when changing up from 1st to 2nd it feels very lumpy and sometimes crunches. Have told my dealer shit about this and they could find nothing wrong.
Took my car in last week for 80,000km service and again told them of my concern.
Told me that they test drove vehicle and found a TSB for this concern.
Part is on order
I asked what part it was they said it was a selector, I then asked if the tranny had to come out they said no.
I’m waiting for the call.
 
#23 ·
QUOTE (Mr Wolf @ Feb 6 2010, 10:58 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1635229
I've had similar problem, when changing up from 1st to 2nd it feels very lumpy and sometimes crunches. Have told my dealer shit about this and they could find nothing wrong.
Took my car in last week for 80,000km service and again told them of my concern.
Told me that they test drove vehicle and found a TSB for this concern.
Part is on order
I asked what part it was they said it was a selector, I then asked if the tranny had to come out they said no.
I’m waiting for the call.[/b]
Interesting, let us know what happens, and also what the TSB is specifically addressing. I have had intermittent issues getting my trans to go into 1st gear from a complete stop and usually when cold. To correct it, I usually shift into 2nd then back up to first, with the clutch disengaged throughout. When that doesn't do it, a quick throttle blip in neutral seems to loosen things up. I always kind of wrote it off as a synchro or gear being in a weird position and not mating up completely, has not really become a big issue so far.

As a side note, my car is over 3 years old now, and I plan to get the trans fluid changed. I'll see if I can get around to it this weekend, see if that makes a difference.
 
#24 ·
i had a tsb done as well. i went in for a clutch adjustment, and i was told there was a tsb for the shifter cage thing. i was told "the whole thing" was replaced. was it the linkages that were replaced as well? not sure. but i didnt have a problem with shifting, and i didnt really feel that big a difference after the replacement...
tsb 05-015/08
 
#25 ·
Sucks I am out of warranty. :( But it is interested that they replace the whole setup. We need pics to see what the differecne is. It doesn't sound ike it would be cheap to replace the whole setup along with the shift cables.
 
#26 ·
QUOTE (XsillyputtyX @ Feb 12 2010, 10:22 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=1636717
i had a tsb done as well. i went in for a clutch adjustment, and i was told there was a tsb for the shifter cage thing. i was told "the whole thing" was replaced. was it the linkages that were replaced as well? not sure. but i didnt have a problem with shifting, and i didnt really feel that big a difference after the replacement...
tsb 05-015/08[/b]
Wow!!
IS this the correct number tsb 05-015/08??
I'll be calling my dealer!!