It is 5000, but that is total US allocation only.

 

Is that high or low for a car to be imported? It sounds low to me. Does this make it rare? Finally, where is the source for this coming from? Thanks.

 

It's a number from Mazda. Where exactly I can't recall; I believe it was on the dealer allocation sheets. It's rather low, yes. It's only about 1/15th the Mazda6 production in the US. That doesn't mean they'll necessarily sell though, MazdaSpeeds traditionally haven't sold well despite limited numbers.

 

Well for $30k you can buy alot of good cars. I think that is why mazda does not want to risk anything and produce too many mazdaspeed sixes.

 

Depending on demand and sales, they might do additional batches. The Mazdaspeed miata was originally limited to just 5000....now some dealerships have as many as 10 just sitting on the lots.

 

Originally posted by crossbow@Jun 4 2005, 12:15 PM
Depending on demand and sales, they might do additional batches.  The Mazdaspeed miata was originally limited to just 5000....now some dealerships have as many as 10 just sitting on the lots.

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I hope they build more. It seems like such a waste if they don't. :irate: I hear Mazda wants to compete against BMW. It would seem prudent to put out better vehicles and more than BMW. Is Mazda losing money on a MS6 at the MSRP? A speed6 is a more useful vehicle than a Maita.

 

Don't know. It could be a pretty limited run due to whats happening to the 6 in 07. The exclusivity and performance of the speed6 will only be temporary in the mazda lineup...

 

Whats going on with the 07 6? Body changes and motors?

 

Yeah, what's going on, I thought it was only some minor cosmetic changes in 07.

 

Originally posted by Sigma@Jun 3 2005, 03:08 PM
It is 5000, but that is total US allocation only.

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And of those 5000, roughly 4000 will be the Grand Touring model and 1000 will be the Sport model. Of the 4000 GTs, about 1320 of them will have a moonroof and 1000 will have a navigation system (chances are, if it has a nav system, it will probably also have the moonroof, but I don't know the split).

Source: Mazda Fuel magazine Mar-Apr 2005 * Vol. 4 * Issue 2

 

The 06 is an aesthetic refresh. The 07 is the mechanical refresh. There will be details on all the changes sometime next spring.

 

It's too bad that the 06 and up 6's aren't as aesthetically pleasing as the 03-05's, although, I assume they're probably going to be on par with the engine performance of Accords and the like. Heh, when those 07's come out, MS6's should be at equal or less than equal prices of those 6's.

 

I was going to wait until the 07 MS6's came out (if that even happens) to try to get one....but from the sound of it....I may not have that option anymore.

 

OK, so the allocation is only 5000. :irate: I'm hoping the numbers would be more. At only 5000, it seems like I won't be able to purchase one under MSRP next year. Or do I pay pay MSRP and order one?? I didn't like that option. A few of you guys said to wait and the MS6 would follow the production of the Mazdaspeed Maita. (I would love that )

What are my other options? Maybe a 06 Mazda6 5 door w/ 5sp? (What are cosmetic changes?) Wait for the 07 Mazda6? (What are mechanical changes?) 06 Legacy GT at dealer cost? A 06 G35 sedan? An 06 Acura TL? I would like a six speed MTX and about 250+ hp. Damn!!! :swearin: Decisions, decisions, decisions!!!!!

 

Instead of losing money on a trade-in to get a MS6 or 07 6, save up and then just get Wagner's turbo kit and try to get CP-E to make a LSD for manuals, since they do for the 03-04 autos, and I assume you'll be pretty close in performance to the MS6 and the regular 07's. At least that way you'll get to keep the current 6 look, with nearly the same performance.

 

Hi, just wondering, but why does everyone think that the Mazdaspeed6 will not sell? 5000 cars does not seem like a lot to me. Does anyone know the production of Mazdaspeed Miatas? Also, I think that the Miata has a different market altogether than the MS6. I would actually be afraid that the MS6 would sell out. Should I not be worried? If the handling/performance gets good reviews upon release, I would assume these cars would be snatched up pretty quickly....

 

jl,

They are going on the previous mazdaspeed cars. Mazdaspeed protege's (the market of the MPS 6) and mazdaspeed miata's have both not sold well.

There is an inital spike, followed by a second batch of production, followed by massive rebates, incentives, discounts, and cars left on lots.

This is because mazdaspeed cars always come out right before a major rehash/change of the lineup. Many people know this, and just wait for the refreshed version or the new platform.

Mazdaspeed protege was right before the Mazda 3
Mazdaspeed miata was right before the new MX-5 (new engine, new chassis)
Mazdaspeed Mazda6 is right before the new 6. (more power, bigger, modified chassis, possibly different drivetrain [AWD])

 

Hi Crossbow, Thanks for the reply. I know you have been recognized as the MS6 "leader" on some boards. Perhaps you can help me out with this. I am not sure if I should get the MS6 or not (based on the 2007 Mazda6). No specs are out and from what you are saying, the prices will drop dramatically. I thought that the MS6 isn't having any production outside this initial batch? Am I incorrect? Secondly, I would like to know what you think about purchasing this first (maybe only) run of MS6s...? Thanks, I appreciate the comments.

 

Going by what has happened to the other mazdaspeeds, there will most likely be more then one run.

Then of course mazda could just suddenly change their mind. I'm almost surprised they haven't just scraped the whole thing with all the delays they've had.

If you can wait, I'd wait until around november/december, and take a good look at all the reviews, and try to see if you can test drive one. Then make your decision from there.

 

I'm just worried that they will go quickly (all the dealers I've talked to made it sound like they are only getting a few). With 5000 production, I'm not sure how long it will last....? So I take it the other Mazdaspeeds all had 5000 production?

 

No, they were all produced in different numbers. What exactly I don't know and I can't find a source for. But they were highly different. The MazdaSpeed Miata was easier to find than the regular Miata at many dealerships due to both a high production and a low demand. Eventually it got cheaper to buy a MazdaSpeed Miata than a regular one.

 

Nooooo... Thats not good.... I wrote the Mazda manufacturers and they replied saying that they don't have published numbers for the MS6. I even quoted the issue of Mazda Fuel and he said that he can't confirm anything... very odd? I'm pretty sure that the MS6 will present itself to the growing family man/professional that wants the Imprezza/Evo without the riceboy look (aka.... Me =) I know its not even close in performance to those two but I can live without it... for now... until I can afford my R34 Nur-Spec... unused... pristine condition... *sigh* Hehehe...

 

Originally posted by jl_mazdaspeed6@Jun 9 2005, 07:26 PM
Nooooo... Thats not good.... I wrote the Mazda manufacturers and they replied saying that they don't have published numbers for the MS6. I even quoted the issue of Mazda Fuel and he said that he can't confirm anything... very odd? I'm pretty sure that the MS6 will present itself to the growing family man/professional that wants the Imprezza/Evo without the riceboy look (aka.... Me =) I know its not even close in performance to those two but I can live without it... for now... until I can afford my R34 Nur-Spec... unused... pristine condition... *sigh* Hehehe...

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Hi jl_mazdaspeed6,

I'm in the same boat too. Actually, I am taking Crossbow's advice and waiting. I did write to Mazda and got the same reply you did, saying they can't guarantee numbers or availability when I would like to purchase. I too am very anxious but I don't want to pay MSRP or over it. I did read that you can pay MSRP now or when the MS6 comes out over MSRP and that will guarantee you a MS6. There are also other choices as well G35, legacy GT, Hemi Charger (but I rather have a stick), TL or wait for 06 or 07 mazda6. Good luck.

 

While I like my 6 a lot. When it comes to buying a new car others will be looking at the price, value, aftermarket support and how it takes to mods. Too early to judge that really. Hopefully aftermarket companies will jump on it to make products. That will really improve their ability to sell these.

But from an outsiders prospective, say your a consumer looking into a turbo'd car... obviously...

For ~$30k you can get an STI, Legacy GT, EVO, Or this new unproven Mazdaspeed 6 with no real aftermarket EMS systems for it yet. Right there you know it may not be easy to increase your power output without some way of controlling it. Both the STI and EVO have the UTEC and many more options.

I think that alone will hinder sales. I know the only reason I'm not running boost yet is the lack of an EMS system that will work on the automatic. And the fact that wagner hasn't come out with theirs yet.

This car will appeal to those who want the more suddle look obviously. Most of the older crowd that is buying EVO's and STI's actually are toning them down, removing wing and what not for a smoother look.

 

Its all a waiting game folks. If you jump the gun and buy early, you might get a car that nobody else can get a hold of, or you might be stuck paying way too much money for a car nobody really wanted in the first place.

The MPS 6 is a great car. There isn't any doubt about that...its just whether you are willing to fork out cash to be one of the first or not thats the question here.

Also remember there are some big changes happening to the 6 in 07. Its dimensions are changing, as well as the power output.