Well, I don't know if I want to go that far. But I do know that the 6 interior is nicer looking compared to say Altima, Camry and other domestic cars of similar size. I didn't mentioned Accord because I thought that Accord interior is nice too.

 

It's roughly comparable especially, considering the price difference, sure. But there's no substitute for RWD and the materials in the BMW are of higher quality.

 

Considering the fact I find the BMW 3-series a vastly overrated car, I would say the Mazda6s is far more satisfying to drive than a BMW 330i (even the fully loaded $42,000 MSRP sport equipped version I drove.)

The BMW's ride and handling dynamics were highly disappointing. The ride was very bouncy and uncontrolled. The handling was competent, but not crisp. The driving experience was not sporty in any way, it treated aggressive driving like a British butler might... it did everything I asked of it, but had a disapproving demeanor which sucked the joy from the experience.

The interior was well fitted, but lacked style and ambience. The Harmon Kardon sound system is even worse than our Bose system. I felt like I was in a Hyundai.

I was relieved to get back into my SVT Contour.

 

We have both cars, a 325 4 door with the sport package and a 6 wagon :drive: . I have to say, when we go on a trip, we take the 6. It is by far a more comfortable ride. Some complain about the 6 being noisy. However, I find the 325 to be more noisy then the 6. I also like the fact we can put in regular gas into the 6. that is a big plus...

Also noted, the karmon soundsystem is poor. There are some really bad vibrations in the drivers side door panels. We've brought it back to the dealer with no luck...

cheers,

john

Originally posted by ZoomZoom Diva@Mar 2 2005, 09:58 AM
Considering the fact I find the BMW 3-series a vastly overrated car, I would say the Mazda6s is far more satisfying to drive than a BMW 330i (even the fully loaded $42,000 MSRP sport equipped version I drove.)

The BMW's ride and handling dynamics were highly disappointing.  The ride was very bouncy and uncontrolled.  The handling was competent, but not crisp.  The driving experience was not sporty in any way, it treated aggressive driving like a British butler might... it did everything I asked of it, but had a disapproving demeanor which sucked the joy from the experience. 

The interior was well fitted, but lacked style and ambience.  The Harmon Kardon sound system is even worse than our Bose system.  I felt like I was in a Hyundai.

I was relieved to get back into my SVT Contour.

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not to mention we smoke 3 series.

 

we can smoke a 3 series? damn, which 3 series are you reffering to?

 

Originally posted by oakfan52@Mar 2 2005, 02:58 PM
not to mention we smoke 3 series.

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May be the 325i or the old 318i!

I drove my friend's 330i ATX this past weekend. There is no way
my 05 M6s can smoke his 330. On paper 330i only 5 more hp, but
the low end torque is much stronger.

 

Originally posted by svalley8@Mar 8 2005, 02:40 AM
May be the 325i or the old 318i!

I drove my friend's 330i ATX this past weekend. There is no way
my 05 M6s can smoke his 330. On paper 330i only 5 more hp, but
the low end torque is much stronger.

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I'm afiard it gonna take a 5 series to beat my 04 6s MTX(exluding m3 of course). Although m3 in on my hit list very soon.

 

Originally posted by oakfan52@Mar 7 2005, 08:09 PM
I'm afiard it gonna take a 5 series to beat my 04 6s MTX(exluding m3 of course). Although m3 in on my hit list very soon.

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I agree with Oakfan. I really don't think ANY of the 3 series stands a chance vs. a good 6 driver. With CP-E...NO way. The ONLY 3 series that will take us is the M3. Even the older ones aren't THAT must faster, trust me. I speak from personal experience. :X

 

new BMW 3 series are coming

330 has 258hp

 

Originally posted by Canleaf@Mar 8 2005, 08:46 AM
new BMW 3 series are coming

330 has 258hp

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by new you must mean 06. we have to wait and see what mazda does with our motor for 06 =)

 

A 330ci mtx I think will be able to beat a 6s mtx. a 3series also has a lot more after market parts avaible for it. My parents friend has a 330ci convetable, w/ CAI and a reprogrammed ecu... It moves But the 325 has no chance...

 

Originally posted by oakfan52@Mar 8 2005, 04:09 AM
I'm afiard it gonna take a 5 series to beat my 04 6s MTX(exluding m3 of course). Although m3 in on my hit list very soon.

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hmm.....the 330i with perf package is quicker than the 6s Mtx.
The M3......mid 13sec 1/4 miles and sub 5 sec 0-60.... :drive: :hoho:
and that's stock....I don't see how you can take on a current M3.

 

Originally posted by smokeU6s@Mar 8 2005, 08:35 PM
A 330ci mtx I think will be able to beat a 6s mtx.

Ya think? A 330 mtx will torch a 6s mtx. C&D has the 330 doing 0-60 in less than 6 seconds and the 325 doing it in 7.1 seconds.

 

Originally posted by migueloo@Mar 9 2005, 11:29 PM
hmm.....the 330i with perf package is quicker than the 6s Mtx.
The M3......mid 13sec 1/4 miles and sub 5 sec 0-60....  :drive: :hoho:
and that's stock....I don't see how you can take on a current M3.

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2005 M3
Curb Weight: 3415
Horsepower: 333 hp
Torque: 262 ft-lbs

I bet you a 6s sedan w/ cp-e and full wagner setup will be even with an M3.

as for the 330ci stock to stock it will most likey take the 6 barely. Assuming both drivers are equal.

 

Originally posted by oakfan52@Mar 9 2005, 05:42 PM
2005 M3
Curb Weight: 3415
Horsepower: 333 hp
Torque: 262 ft-lbs

I bet you a 6s sedan w/ cp-e and full wagner setup will be even with an M3.

as for the 330ci stock to stock it will most likey take the 6 barely. Assuming both drivers are equal.

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so wats ur 1/4 mile?
talk is cheap....

 

Originally posted by oakfan52@Mar 10 2005, 01:42 AM
as for the 330ci stock to stock it will most likey take the 6 barely. Assuming both drivers are equal.

Lol, not "most likely barely". The 330 will easily, EASILY, take a 6s. My handicapped Grandma could be driving the 330 and it would take a 6s.

Car and Driver has the 330 doing 0-60 in 5.6 seconds with the 1/4 at 14.3 seconds. You can't touch that in a 6s, and the M3 will annilihate a 6s. I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff?

 

Originally posted by MZ6i@Mar 10 2005, 03:59 AM
Lol, not "most likely barely".  The 330 will easily, EASILY, take a 6s.  My handicapped Grandma could be driving the 330 and it would take a 6s. 

Car and Driver has the 330 doing 0-60 in 5.6 seconds with the 1/4 at 14.3 seconds.  You can't touch that in a 6s, and the M3 will annilihate a 6s.  I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff?

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you on crack if you think a 3300lb car with 225hp and 214ft/lb tq is going to run 14.3's.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_Gla...d=97101&src=VIP

January R&T pitted a 5 speed 330 against the 260hp Acura CL"S". The BMW went 0-60 in 6.2 seconds and 1/4 mile in 14.8 at over 95mph.

http://bmw.jbcarpages.com/3series/2002/index4.php

even BMW can't break the laws of physics

 

Originally posted by oakfan52+Mar 10 2005, 03:59 AM-->

you on crack if you think a 3300lb car with 225hp and 214ft/lb tq is going to run 14.3's.
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I'm on crack? It's not even a matter of what I think, Car and Driver actually tested the car. If you knew anything, you'd know it is common for BMWs to perform better than their hp/torque numbers would suggest.

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I bet you a 6s sedan w/ cp-e and full wagner setup will be even with an M3.

Who is on crack?

 

From Car and driver...

2004 BMW 330i with performance package
0-60 - 5.6 sec
1/4 mile - 14.3 sec; 97mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?se...8&page_number=1

2001 BMW M3
0-60 - 4.5 sec
1/4 mile - 13.1 sec; 107mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?se...7&page_number=4

2003 Mazda 6s
0-60 - 6.4
1/4 mile - 15.1 sec; 93mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?se...4&page_number=1

 

You're comparing two different cars. The Performance Package is a very different car from a normal 330i which is what I think we're really comparing.

 

i gave more than one source showing their times in the 330 as high 14's which is what one would expect from the hp/wieght of that car. you can belive C&D if you like but it appears as if their numbers are abnormal.

 

On Bmw's website they posted at one point the m3's 0-60 times, I think it was about 4.8. A mazda6s mtx with forced induction might be able to run with an m3, but without it there is no chance in hell

 

Originally posted by ZoomZoom Diva@Mar 10 2005, 04:44 AM
You're comparing two different cars.  The Performance Package is a very different car from a normal 330i which is what I think we're really comparing.

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I dunno, these are some of the things that have been said in this thread:

"not to mention we smoke 3 series."

"I'm afiard it gonna take a 5 series to beat my 04 6s MTX(exluding m3 of course). Although m3 in on my hit list very soon."

"I agree with Oakfan. I really don't think ANY of the 3 series stands a chance vs. a good 6 driver. With CP-E...NO way. The ONLY 3 series that will take us is the M3. Even the older ones aren't THAT must faster, trust me. I speak from personal experience"

To be honest, comments like these are embarassing to the 6 community. I didn't think anyone with similar tastes in cars as me could be so automotively retarded.

 

Originally posted by MZ6i@Mar 10 2005, 09:37 AM
I dunno, these are some of the things that have been said in this thread:

"not to mention we smoke 3 series."

"I'm afiard it gonna take a 5 series to beat my 04 6s MTX(exluding m3 of course). Although m3 in on my hit list very soon."

"I agree with Oakfan. I really don't think ANY of the 3 series stands a chance vs. a good 6 driver. With CP-E...NO way. The ONLY 3 series that will take us is the M3. Even the older ones aren't THAT must faster, trust me. I speak from personal experience"

To be honest, comments like these are embarassing to the 6 community.  I didn't think anyone with similar tastes in cars as me could be so automotively retarded.

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I HAVE raced an M3 on the freeway, stock. It was a '98 M3 and it BARELY BARELY BARELY pulled from me stock. I know WTF I was seeing. From a stop, yes, it'll smoke me. From a roll, hardly and with just a simple intake I KNOW I can take on an older M3 from a roll. The new ones are pretty powerful. Give me RWD and we'll see who's better from a stop then, until then, of course the RWD with some more ponies will take me from a stop. We need to talk about either from roll to roll or stop to stop. I think Oakfan is being a bit optimistic of taking on an M3 unless he means from a roll. A 6s with CPE and full Wagner set-up should be producing close to ~290 hp, if not more, at the crank assuming the full set-up gives more HP than just what they have now with the headers which is 15 WHP(without Y-pipe). Let's be conservative and say that CPE gives you 15 WHP (even though some dyno higher) with the intake and Wagner gives you 15 WHP with the headers (no Y-pipe). That's 30 WHP being conservative. That'll put a 6S at roughly 200 - 210 WHP with just those 2. Some people have run the 1/4 with a 6s MTX and just an intake at 14.7 when stock it should be ~15.3. I'm gonna throw it out and say that we could be running low 14's with just Wagner and CPE.


Give us RWD and I'm pretty damn sure we'd eat the 3 series. That's really all they have going for them. FWD is a burden from a stop because of wheel hop, weight balance, and torque steering (pulling to a certain side with a single drive FWD).