Well have you ever thought that he could just be a better driver?

 

Other than reaction time and maybe launch techniques, the ATX takes care of "driving skills".

 

more familiar with launching would be my guess as well, but with vids or slips it's hard to guees. when i had the cp-e on my car, i had a momentary lag off the line that i didn't have with the other intakes, not sure if that's appearant on your atx as it was on mine?

 

Well have you ever thought that he could just be a better driver?[/b]

That may have crossed my mind if we was doing something other then driving in a straight line while teh ATX did all the work

more familiar with launching would be my guess as well, but with vids or slips it's hard to guees. when i had the cp-e on my car, i had a momentary lag off the line that i didn't have with the other intakes, not sure if that's appearant on your atx as it was on mine?[/b]

I have noticed somewhat of a bog. Sometimes worse then others. So that could have been it. I know I never once started to pull on him. he just kept slowly pulling the whole way. Sad to know I spent money on the CPE and other stuff and it's made me slower then stock lol.

THank god my warrenty is up in 500 more miles.

 

maybe you had a full tank of gas and he was near empty. a tank of gas can add a lot of weight...

 

a lot can just be the car though. i ran a car (same '03 atx, same package) he had intake and VTCS removed, i had Intake, BSD, VTCS, Header/mid, Greddy exhaust....and he still beat me. and put down more on the dyno.

some engines are champs, some are chumps

 

OK, Just wanted to post this. I was down at the track with some friends. I am not in to drag racing at all and I know our cars are not Drag cars ons bit. But another guy was there in a completly stock 05 mazda6i just like me. BOth of ours are automatics. We even checked out eachothers cars and under the hood.

Mine at the momeny just has the CPE intake. suspension and so on. So it should be faster a little. but he kept putting the stomp on me pretty bad... They didn't have the timers on to see how long it took me to get through the quarter but I can't imagine it being better then 16's..

I just found it odd that 2 05 automatic 6i's run one stock with nothing. not even intake.. and another with CPE MAFCI and so on. (I also don't have back seats or spare or nothing in my car). and he still put about a half a car length stomp on me.

(sorry if any reply I post taked a while. my comp at home is dead and I can't check this site at work since it's blocked. I am at the parents house visiting and using there comp right now, I don't expect anyone to reply to this as I was just commenting how weird it was)[/b]

maybe he cut out his floor board so he can press the throttle down more

 

maybe he cut out his floor board so he can press the throttle down more[/b]

:laugh:

 

interesting but then again: :TTIWWP:

sorry, i've always wanted to use that.

i'm thinking he broke his engine in a bit better than you and/or different gear ratios. afterall, i only just found out that the sport 6i/6s have more aggressive ratios than the touring & base 6i/6s. i honestly have no idea if this applies to anything before the refresher models, though...check mazda's website and you'll see they are different.

 

interesting but then again: :TTIWWP:

sorry, i've always wanted to use that.

i'm thinking he broke his engine in a bit better than you and/or different gear ratios. afterall, i only just found out that the sport 6i/6s have more aggressive ratios than the touring & base 6i/6s. i honestly have no idea if this applies to anything before the refresher models, though...check mazda's website and you'll see they are different.[/b]

Where are you getting on Mazda's site that the sport 6i/6s have more aggressive ratios than the touring and base models? I saw before that you mentioned this and I was scratching my head about it. So today I went to their site and compared the sedan, wagon, and hatches gear ratios and they are all identical across the board. They do list to sets of gear ratios for each model but one is for ATX and the other for MTX. But other than that, their is no other set of gear ratios listed for the different models. And at the top it showed what was listed was for the Sport VE, Touring, and Grand Touring. Below is the listed ratios (as of 2007 models in the U.S.):
6i MTX:
3.307 1st
1.842 2nd
1.233 3rd
0.97 4th
0.755 5th
4.388 Final Drive

6i ATX:
3.62 1st
1.925 2nd
1.285 3rd
0.933 4th
0.692 5th
3.863 Final Drive

6s MTX:
3.153 1st
1.842 2nd
1.258 3rd
0.947 4th
0.733 5th
4.133 Final Drive

6s ATX:
4.148 1st
2.37 2nd
1.555 3rd
1.154 4th
0.859 5th
0.685 6th
3.464 Final Drive

This info is what Mazda lists. Check to see if what you found matches this. Maybe you saw the two and thought one is a more aggressive set without noticing it was to be seen as manual ratio and auto ratio. Or...if you are outside the U.S., maybe they do have different ratios. I am interested to see what you say and show me what you found. Thanks!
:seeya:
Paul

 

holy fucking shit i can't believe i read that so poorly. wow..please, someone just shoot me. that was ridiculous. the way they have the little blue vertical lines, which are divisive of sport/touring models, made me think that way. i completely forgot about the atx/mtx, lol. it doesn't make sense the way they divided it like that in respect to the transmission type. and even if there were different ratios for the sport/touring models, its not like the atx/mtx ratios are the same, so...basically i'm an idiot.

so now i really don't know what to say about your race. 6i atx lowered and with an intake vs 6i atx stock. stock wins. that makes no sense. even if his engine was broken in better than yours, its not going to warrant a 10hp difference and better weight transfer on launch for him, haha. even in the worst case scenario i'd say you would lead by a half car length, not lose by one and a half. and you don't have backseats? thats about 80-100lbs difference right?

christ dude, you should find that guy again and both go to a local dyno. cuz either there is something wrong with your car or something wonderfully right with his.

 

I really don't follow the 6i all that much, but out of curiosity, what octane fuel were you running? If they're anything like the Speed6's our ECU's advance timing based on the octane level sensed. I can actually feel the difference between running straight 91 octane, and then adding a few gallons of 100 octane in the tank. Just a shot in the dark, maybe your ECU's are as sensitive as ours?

 

...nope

 

Were you brake boosting or just letting off the brake and stomping the gas? That might help a little bit.

Other than reaction time and maybe launch techniques, the ATX takes care of "driving skills".[/b]

R/T has nothing to do w/ 1/4 mile times... You can sit at the light all day long and your 1/4 time starts once you start moving.

 

R/T has nothing to do w/ 1/4 mile times... You can sit at the light all day long and your 1/4 time starts once you start moving.[/b]

but he wasn't saying the guys time was better, they weren't timed. he was saying he was behind by a 1/2 car or whatever at the end every time. so in his case, R/T would play a role

 

Half a car is nothing IMO, could be tire difference.

 

still wouldn't account for him not pulling on the guy...

 

Tires? Wheel size/weight? It could be two different automatic transmissions. Didn't they change suppliers at some point?

 

not in the same year, which in this case would be for the 05 6i.

 

It's the 6s I'm thinking of, and I'm not even sure whether it was a manual or auto. I remember now that I read it in the CP-E engine mount instructions.

 

Sorry man...+1 on the driver issue! :loser:

 

Were you brake boosting or just letting off the brake and stomping the gas? That might help a little bit.
R/T has nothing to do w/ 1/4 mile times... You can sit at the light all day long and your 1/4 time starts once you start moving.[/b]

I was going to say the same thing...although I am not sure if brake boosting would work with a car that has no turbo. Additionally is it possible that he had an ECU tuner or just had an aggressive tune? Also I am not sure if you were fucking with us or not, but cutting out the floor board? That wouldn't really do anything would it?

 

This thread needs to be closed, seriously...

HedsIc's 6 is in the progress of being or is already turbo'd and this thread is just a sad glimpse of the past...

 

I was going to say the same thing...although I am not sure if brake boosting would work with a car that has no turbo. Additionally is it possible that he had an ECU tuner or just had an aggressive tune?[/b]

torque loading helps me just fine. and no, its not possible the other car was tuned.

This thread needs to be closed, seriously...

HedsIc's 6 is in the progress of being or is already turbo'd and this thread is just a sad glimpse of the past...[/b]

how can you be serious about that? there are many, many threads that are currently open that should be closed (or really deleted) and this is far from one of them. and without the past, how can he appreciate the present? <end sage-like mode>

 

how can you be serious about that? there are many, many threads that are currently open that should be closed (or really deleted) and this is far from one of them. and without the past, how can he appreciate the present? <end sage-like mode>[/b]

Well, the other threads should be closed as well. Happy, now??? :nana:

I can appreciated a lot of things without having to remember the past, but I do agree with your post. Well, everything except the fact that you began your sentance with a lowercase... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: