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How-To: Engine Start Button

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DIY: Engine Start Button

Parts Needed:
(1) Honda S2000 Engine Start Button (Part# 35881-S2A-911)
(1) 30A/12V SPDT Relay (Part#: 961-1C-12DM)
(1) Dremel Tool
(1) Flathead Screwdriver
(1) Phillips Screwdriver
(?) Several Feet of 12 & 18 Wire (preferably in 3 colors)
(?) Several 12 gauge Spade Connectors
(?) Several Wire Splicers of your choice
(1) 6"x12" Sheet of Styrene 0.020" (0.5mm) (available in any well-stocked hobby store)
(1) Bottle of CA (CyanoAcrylate) (I use Jet brand, but any decent superglue will work)
(1) Can of Matte Black spray paint
(3) Screws ( #10 x 0.5")
(1) Soldering Iron and soldering materials of choice

Note that, to save yourself a lot of wiring trouble, kits can be bought on Ebay (Search for "S2000 Start Button") that includes almost all the electrical supplies you'll need and in pre-wired harnesses so there's no soldering or other difficult electrical tasks. They run about $60 for the kit, which is about $20 more than the above supplies will cost, but probably worth it unless you have a fetish for making electrical harnesses.


First off, this install is not as straight-forward as it could be. And I'm referring to the physical install of the button. Though it depends on where you're going to install it.
Most of us are probably going to want it where your Cigarette Lighter is. And that's how I'm going to write this. The problem is that there isn't sufficient clearance (at least with the Manual Transmission, and I doubt there is even with the ATX) for the back of the button to fit in the space provided. So you must hack something together.

If you don't know how to remove the Cigarette Lighter/Ashtray Assembly from the console, refer to my How-To located here: http://www.mazda6tech.com/index.php?option...id=36&Itemid=49

This is what the install looks like if you just widen the hole from the lighter and slide the button in:
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As you can see, the button sticks out quite far. Too far to fit back into the car.

The solution is to slide the button up a bit, but that doesn't look very good and there's nothing preventing it from sliding back down. So we've got to solve that.

Cut a sheet of the styrene into a strip 0.75"x4" long. You want this as close to perfectly straight as possible. Roll it around the button, overlap it, tape it so it stays in a circle, then put the glue between the over-lapped segments being careful not to get any on the button. You don't want to glue that to the button. After giving it some time to dry, it should look like this:
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Paint the outside of this piece Black. I used "Engine Black" and then Dull-Coated it just because I had that handy. Any Matte Black should work well.

Now remove the Cigarette Lighter from the assembly. It's pretty straightforward. It's just a couple of clips. A flat-head screwdrier helps.

Take the Dremel to the hole, widening it slightly. Keep attempting to fit the button into the hole until it fits all the way up to where the chrome part widens. We won't be putting the button in all the way (it's too long as mentioned above), so don't make the hole wide enough to fit the entire button, else it might be too wide for what we're doing and you'd be kind of screwed.

Now you can make a choice. If you want, you can just glue the button into the hole. Just use the little extension you made with the sheet styrene, slide the button through it, then slide it into the hole and glue. Problem is it's kind of stuck there. But if you don't glue you'll notice you can spin the button in circles and/or pull it out easily. That won't do.

My solution was to make a bracket for the rear of the button to hold it into the hole. If you look on the back of the ashtray assembly you'll notice that Mazda was nice enough (for whatever reason) to put three screw holes on the rear of the assembly and not use them. They're perfect for what we need to do.

Place the assembly onto the sheet of styrene and trace the pattern for the needed bracket onto the styrene. Do this three times then use the CA to weld all three pieces of plastic together so you get a thick strong piece.

Now you have to disassemble the button you got. Use a flathead screwdriver to seperate the white from the chrome pieces. The electrical assembly inside will slide out with the white part.

Drill holes into the bracket you made where it will go into the assembly. Temporarily screw the bracket down. Spray some of the spray paint onto some paper, then rapidly put the rear end of the chrome button into the wet paint, then slide it through the hole in the assembly just as if you were mounting it. In this way you get a tracing of the rear of the plug onto your bracket so that you can cut out the center properly.

Then take the dremel tool to the bracket you made and cut out the center. You want to get it as close as to possible to exactly what you need to fit the button through tightly. particularly the side that is a little hexagonal shaped -- getting that right prevents the button from turning. If you make the whole two big the button will just turn freely inside your bracket, defeating the point of making the thing.

When you're done it'll look something like this:
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It doesn't have to be perfect, you'll never see it. And I've only got 2 test screws in mine in the picture. You should use all three holes. If you're using Styrene as I did, DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN. You don't need it to be tight, you're only using the piece to prevent the button from spinning circle, so the tightness of the screws makes no difference, just that they're in the holes.


Put the whole thing together and you're done. Slide the circle you made over the button, slide the button into the whole in the lighter assembly, the slide the bracket over the button and screw it down. The button can still slide out, but that's not a big deal since you shouldn't ever be pulling on it once it's installed unless you want to remove it. As long as it can't slide down (so it doesn't move when you press it) or spin in circles (so "Engine Start" is always straight) that's all that matters, and that's what the two plastic pieces we made are designed to do.

This isn't the greatest picture, but this is what it looks like when it's done. It's difficult to tell, but the button is 0.75" off the surface of the plastic; as opposed to flush like it is in the first picture I posted. It not only fits into the car that way, but looks better too:

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I'll be posting up the How-To for the Electrical portion tomorrow. At least provided I can make it work at all ;)
 
#2 ·
The wiring is actually a little more straight-forward than I expected. It's pretty simple really. If I could do it, having no How-To at all, anyone here can manage it.

These instructions will cover installing the button so that a Key is still required to start the car. Useful so that your car can't be easily stolen in the even that someone gets into it or so that you can still easily start your car if the relay dies. I'm going to attempt to find a way to wire it up so that a key is not needed in the coming days/weeks; I think I've figured out a way that'll work.

Since we'll be working on the electrical system, remember to remove the negative side of the car battery.

Start by completing the removal of the entire center console. Instructions can be found here: http://www.mazda6tech.com/index.php?option...id=36&Itemid=49

Remember to read the bottom notes on that How-To if you don't have Automatic Climate Control.

Then move over to removing the panels around the steering column: Remove the two screws above the gauge cluster using a Phillips screwdriver. The bottom of the bexel just pulls out. Maneuver the bezel out from behind the steering wheel. Under the steering column you'll find 3 screws. Get those out of there using a Phillips screwdriver. The two pieces of plastic surroudning the column will then just pull apart. Accessing the Ignition Harness is very easy. You'll notice it right away on the left hand side of the steering wheel:

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Here's about the only important part of this How-To: What wire is what.

RED/BLACK == 12V Constant
BLUE/BLACK == Starter
BLUE == Ignition

Now, take a look at the button. Hold it so that the red end is away from you and the words "ENGINE START" are right side up. There are 5 prongs on the button but we'll only need 3. You can get rid of the 2 on the left side.

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1> This is the output. It will connect to the relay. Use green, yellow, or some other non-red/black color to help distinguish it.

2> This is the prong that will go to the Starter wire on the harness.

3> This is the prong that will be grounded.

Now, take a look at the relay. Unfortunately I don't have a decent photograph of that, but it's easy enough to describe since there's numbers on it.

#87> Goes to the Red/Black 12V Constant Wire on the Ignition Harness
#30> Goes to the Black/Blue 12V Constant Wire on the Ignition Harness
#85> Is the Input from the Button. Prong #1 on the Button connects here.
#86> Goes to a Ground


Decide where you want to mount your relay. You can pick anywhere under the dash you'd like. I just zip-tied mine onto one of the many bracings under there. Don't secure it yet because it will probably be hard to see the proper connections on the relay, just decide where to put it so you can get an idea of the length of wire you need to cut. Wire up the relay ends, then install it and run the wires to the harness from there, since it's easier to connect wires to the ignition harness once the relay is installed than it is to run wires to the relay once it's installed.

Connect Prong #1 on the Button with #85 on the Relay. You'll need to solder the wire to Prong #1, but a 12-gauge spade should work on the relay.

Connect Prong #2 on the Button with the Blue Wire on the Ignition Harness. You can connect however you want. I just shoved the wire into the harness and taped it to prevent it from backing out. Not a perfect connection, but since I'm looking into alternative wiring methods, it's the best way for me and it doesn't involve cutting the harness at all.

Ground Prong #3 wherever you choose. I grounded both the Button and the Relay behind the Radio on the central grounding bar:
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Connect #87 on the Relay to the Black/Red wire on the Ignition Harness. Again, whatever method you choose.

Connect #30 on the Relay to the Black/Blue wire on the Ignition Harness. Again, whatever method you choose. If you decide that you don't want the key to start the car (but the key will still need to be in the Ignition to function, it just won't crank) then cut the Black/Blue wire and tape off the key cylinder side. That way only the Button can start the car.

Connect #86 to the ground. I grounded mine as mentioned above.


Give it all a test and it should work fine. You'll need to turn the Key to the "On" Position, then press the Engine Start Button. If you've got a Manual, you need to also depress the clutch.

Here's two images of the completed install:

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As an additional step, if you cut the Blue/Black wire in the install and make it so only the Button can start the motor, you can also wire in a hidden DPDT switch. In this way you can flip the hidden switch and make it very difficult to start the car. Even if a theif found the main button in the ashtray, he'd need to find the hidden button as well. It might be useful if you often leave your car alone for long periods of time, i.e. Airport Parking.
 
#5 ·
Yeah. But I'm gonna see how I can get around that. If you can do remote start without a key in the ignition, there's gotta be some way to do this without a key in the ignition. I maybe have to connect the button to a remote start unit and just have it function the same as if you were pushing the remote start button on the fob. We'll see.

I'm just doing this because I was bored this weekend and this is a mod that doesn't cost much and takes a while really. So no skin off my back if it doesn't work or doesn't work well.
 
#6 ·
Remote start with a manual is a bit hard considering you have to have the clutch pushed in. But if you somehow combined it with with you are doing...(ie just starting it in the drivers seat w/o the key) you might be able to pull it off.

Good luck and keep up the posting. I'll be following this with interest.
 
#9 ·
I posted this a while back, either here or 6tech. The info I got was you can't use it w/o the key being in the ignition. Guess it has to do w/ the chip. I think thats something prolly really hard to bypass, not too easy to hotwire a car anymore.
The remote start issue came up before, but if you get a remote start then just hit that instead of hitting the two.
Theres def a pimp factor to this mod, but w/ our car don't think it will work practically.
 
#10 ·
Nah, it's not practical at all. I'll probably never use it. It was just something to keep me busy this some of this weekend. Figured others might benefit from the experience as well.

This can be done without a key. There's no doubt. If remote start can be done without a key, this can be too. It's just figuring it out. And dealing with the fact that doing that would make the car very easy to steal unless you wanted to go through the trouble of hidden fuel cutoff switches. If I had a wiring diagram for Mazda's factory accessory Remote Start that would be perfect. Wonder where I could get one of those...
 
#11 ·
there is a way to "remote start" the car without a key in the ignition. i bought a bypass module at cartoys for about 40 bucks. it fits anywhere under the center console/dash. all you have to do is put the extra key in there, and the car reads the chip code, and bypasses the need for a key in the ignition. i got it for the asainwolf.com keypad starter. works like a champ
 
#12 ·
to do the start without the key, you would need the DEI 556U module. With this, there is a wire with a loop at the end that goes around the ignition to make it think the key is in. All it would need is to be given power when you press the engine start button and it would send the signal to the ignition and then would allow the car to start. shouldn't be too difficult to wire(i put remote start on my car myself) and i could probably do it fairly easily since I already have the module. The module will cost you about $25 shipped on ebay. Let me know if I can help as I still have the wiring diagrams etc.
 
#15 ·
if you get this...i will DEFINATLY put one in
 
#18 ·
with the clutch problem, just look under the dash, look at the switch that is compressed when the clutch is all the way down (the other one is compressed as soon as the clutch is pressed for the cruise control to cut off). cut the two wires and solder them together and then you don't need the clutch to start the car anymore. not as safe, but i like it MUCH more. just be sure to leave it in neutral
 
#20 ·
I've had one of these buttons laying on the kitchen counter for several months... just been too lazy to fool with it. Plus I wanted to put it somewhere other than the ashtray, and good places are limited.

BTW, computer power supply wiring harnesses fit those starter buttons perfectly, so it makes a nice easy disconnect. That info is out on the web somewhere... I don't remember where I found it. We used one in my friend's WS6... worked like a champ.

If you want to start the car without the key, don't forget you've also got to have a way to switch on IGN power before you hit the button. So not only do you need that bypass module for the antitheft, you're going to need to wire in some sort of toggle that serves the same function as the "ON" position on your current keyed ignition switch. Obviously, you might wanna hide this too, to help prevent theft...
 
#23 ·
i'd personally like it to be hidden...even if it's in the ash try....who looks in the ashtray when trying to steal a car?
 
#24 ·
If you opened the column up, you should be able to determine which wires on the keyed ignition switch are hot in ACC and in ON, and wire them to +12V through a DPDT switch. Then you'd have an ACC position so you can listen to the radio, and a separate position for ON, which would allow the car to start. Off is just off, and START has already been negated by the button. Everything would work just like stock, but rather than having a key to turn it on/off, there'd be a hidden switch that required no key...

Still, you'd really want that IGN switch to be very well hidden, or have some other security feature (like another hidden kill switch or something else that needs to be done... some way to keep someone from just finding the switch and starting the car).

I'm sure you could take it as far as to remove the keyed switch altogether... but you will have to make sure you keep whatever part is needed to satisfy the antitheft system...
 
#25 ·
I don’t think your conventional DPDT switch would work. Most DTDP switches are on-off-on, with center off. From my experiences, and anybody correct me if I’m wrong, all cars have 1) an ACC, accessory wire 2) an Ignition wire, some cars with two 3) a Crank/Starter wire. The car needs both wires to be on (positive) in order to start the car. If you had a DPDT switch, you could only have one or the other wire powered at one time. With this setup the car will crank and crank all it wants when you push the “Engine Start” button but will never start.

You would have to use two SPST switches for the ACC and Ignition wire, for those who like to listen to the radio w/out other things being on. Or you would have to use a DPST instead. This way both wires would be powered at the same time.

The other thing is if you had a keyless start, would you still be able to drive the car? Wouldn’t our steering wheel lock if you didn’t have the key inserted? I've never tried locking the steering wheel.
 
#26 ·
From my experiences, and anybody correct me if I’m wrong, all cars have 1) an ACC, accessory wire 2) an Ignition wire, some cars with two 3) a Crank/Starter wire. The car needs both wires to be on (positive) in order to start the car. If you had a DPDT switch, you could only have one or the other wire powered at one time.
Well, the Starter is made hot by pressing the Engine Start Button. You wouldn't need that on a seperate circuit if you wanted to be able to turn on your radio with the car off. Accessory actually grounds out when you start the car, so I'm not sure that it's needed to be powered to start the car, although both ACC and IGN might have to be hot to power accessories.

What I'd do, for security reasons, is probably install a momentary switch in an inconspicuous location that requires pressing it and the Engine Start button at the same time.

The other thing is if you had a keyless start, would you still be able to drive the car? Wouldn’t our steering wheel lock if you didn’t have the key inserted? I've never tried locking the steering wheel.
Well you had to go and throw a wrench into things didn't you. ;) I'm really not sure what would happen. If the car is on, does the wheel still lock? Good question. It probably does. With makes me wonder how to disable that -- and since it's mechanical, it wouldn't be easy.