http://www.eiptuning.com/ecomm/proddetail....d=HEX-HPP&cat=1

other then going straight, the ms6 awd system acts too much like a fwd car in the turns. Possibly this would work on the ms6 also since both are using halelex systems.
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Holy shit that's not cheap....

 

Developed by racers for racers; the Competition Controller, transforms the Haldex equipped 4-Motion platform into a weapon on the track. Similar in principle to the standard performance Haldex upgrade, the Competition Controller features one MAJOR difference.

Back in the ’80s the Audi Quattros dominated the race track with their unbelievable ability to brake late when entering the corners. This ability was a result of the rear axle staying engaged under full braking allowing for a combined mechanical and frictional stopping force to be applied across all 4 wheels. The Competition Haldex Controller offered from HPA mimics this by keeping the rear axle fully engaged while under braking. Where the stock Haldex and HPP units release the rear axle into a free wheel situation as the brakes are applied, the Competition unit keeps the rear axle engaged, generating additional mechanical force to assist in slow down and maintain dynamic chassis balance.

The Competition Controller is best suited to FI applications with high torque outputs. The experienced driver will benefit from the additional chassis control afforded by the equal deceleration rates of the front and rear axle. This allows the driver’s input to dictate the vehicle dynamics under braking, corner entry and exit rather than falling victim to the abrupt disengagement of the rear axle. This added stability and control translates directly to faster lap times; making the Competition Controller a must for the competitive driver.

 

give them a call and see if itll work for us. it would be a very nice upgrade.

 

just read up on vwvortex. the competition version runs upto 20front 80rear aggressive torque split. very easy power oversteer so there is a disclaimer for driving in the snow.

 

just read up on vwvortex. the competition version runs 20front 80rear aggressive torque split. very easy power oversteer so there is a disclaimer for driving in the snow.
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will the rear axle be able to handle the load?

 

http://www.motortrend.com/features/perform...volkswagen_r32/

looks like it can handle the power, not sure about the reliablity.

 

This might fix one of the biggest complaints I have about the handling.

 

http://www.motortrend.com/features/perform...volkswagen_r32/

looks like it can handle the power, not sure about the reliablity.
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oh, i was talking about our rear axle, not the R32.

 

The rear diff in the speed6 is not designed to handle any more power than it already gets. Look at the speed6's power and split it in 2 (max transfer is 50-50). That is approximately what the rx8 is putting down into the same rear diff.

 

Good stuff!

But I have to question the 20/80 torque split. That's impossible with coupling-based system.

-B

 

oh, i was talking about our rear axle, not the R32.
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both use similer clutch systems.

 

The RX-8's rear diff can handle 300whp+, I dont see why it wouldnt work on the MS6, remember FI RX-8s?? they still have stock diff and with horsepower ranging from 250whp - 300 whp with no problems yet.

 

This might fix one of the biggest complaints I have about the handling.
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Why did you buy a speed6 if you didnt like that way it drove? That kinda important, dont ya think?

 

I like the look of this thing but the over all question is will it work or can it get to work sinc eour rear coupling is not a "Haladex" brand coupling...it is instead some derived version

Good stuff!

But I have to question the 20/80 torque split. That's impossible with coupling-based system.

-B
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Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing...the front wheels are always gonna have drive to them...

The RX-8's rear diff can handle 300whp+, I dont see why it wouldnt work on the MS6, remember FI RX-8s?? they still have stock diff and with horsepower ranging from 250whp - 300 whp with no problems yet.
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I don't think the rear diff will be a failing point in this car, if we can get our engines to put out 400 hp (after serious upgrades including new turbo) then the rear diff will only see 200hp

Why did you buy a speed6 if you didnt like that way it drove? That kinda important, dont ya think?
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Yeah I agree with z26 here...

 

http://www.eiptuning.com/ecomm/proddetail....d=HEX-HPP&cat=1

other then going straight, the ms6 awd system acts too much like a fwd car in the turns. Possibly this would work on the ms6 also since both are using halelex systems.
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I came across that very part a while ago while trying to research the MS6 AWD. It is produced by Haldex's performance division. I sent Haldex's Tech Line an e-mail asking them two questions.

1. Is the MS6 indeed using a Haldex system? (There seems to be some disagreement on this subject. Some say it is Haldex, others say Haldex based.)

2. If the MS6 is indeed using a Haldex system, would the Haldex Performance AWD module work on the MS6, if not, are there plans to produce anything that will?

This was more for research purposes than anything.

So far no response. :-(

 

There is nothing at the above link to make me think this is anything more than a gimmick.

The Mazdaspeed does not have a proper center differential. It has a coupling device. No amount of work on a coupling device is going to give it a rear torque bias. That's just not what a coupling device does.

 

I came across that very part a while ago while trying to research the MS6 AWD. It is produced by Haldex's performance division. I sent Haldex's Tech Line an e-mail asking them two questions.

1. Is the MS6 indeed using a Haldex system? (There seems to be some disagreement on this subject. Some say it is Haldex, others say Haldex based.)

2. If the MS6 is indeed using a Haldex system, would the Haldex Performance AWD module work on the MS6, if not, are there plans to produce anything that will?

This was more for research purposes than anything.

So far no response. :-(
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I just received a response back from Haldex, this is what they said:

Hi Daniel,

I am terrible sorry for the delay. It was my understanding that you had received an answer.

The answer is no, we do not deliver any units to Mazda. It is most likely a unit from Toyoda.
The Toyoda is not Haldex based or is under any circumstanses similar to the Haldex unit.

Best regards,
Mats

Interesting response. Though, Haldex does provide units to Ford and our system DOES seem quite similar to those used in the VW R32 and Audi TT provided by Haldex. So I sent one more e-mail just to clarify, I let you all know what I find.

 

OK, so here is the final word. The AWD system in the MS6 is not a Haldex unit as many have already said. So, that part will definitely NOT work in the MS6. Below is the e-mail:

Hi again Daniel,

No worries with the time
First: The schematic you attached shows in the first line that it is a Toyoda coupling and not a Haldex coupling since they are electro magnetic while the Haldex is an electro hydraulic unit.
Second: My responsibilities within Haldex covers the developement and calibration of the Ford vehicles and i am very sure that the only vehicles within Ford using our product are as following:

All Volvo models
Ford freestyle/500 (for the end of this year)
Mercury Montego (for the end of this year)
Landrover (starting this year)

It can also be discovered easily by looking under the car since we have an ECU attached to our unit saying Haldex and a RDU made by Getrag while Toyoda have a remote ECU in the trunk and a RDU manufactured by Dana.

Best Regards,
Mats

There you have it.

 

Hummm... Evo9 MR = 36,000

MazdaSpeed6 = 34,000

Evo9 MR = Rally.... rough ride... hard clutch... But light and quick as hell...

MazdaSpeed6 = Performance Luxury Sedan... firm but comfortable ride... Sport clutch but easy to drive... Heavy, and huge!

So, don't understand why people are trying to dump 1000's of dollars into making this thing perform like Evo's... When you can get the best performance already for only slightly more. I'll tell you one thing though. The speed6 handles better than most other FWD or RWD vehicles...

Evo9 MR = 36,000

Speed6 modified to handle better = 34,000 + 6000 in parts = 40,000

So now you've spent more than the Evo9 MR... you've lost some of the luxury and comfort of the speed6, and the Evo still handles better.

Anyway, I personally enjoy being faster than most other vehicles on the road today (aside from super cars, and EVO's, STI's and such)... While still really enjoying the drive, comfort, and luxury you get over the cheap hondas that people pop turbos into...

 

OK, so here is the final word. The AWD system in the MS6 is not a Haldex unit as many have already said. So, that part will definitely NOT work in the MS6. Below is the e-mail:

Hi again Daniel,

No worries with the time
First: The schematic you attached shows in the first line that it is a Toyoda coupling and not a Haldex coupling since they are electro magnetic while the Haldex is an electro hydraulic unit.
Second: My responsibilities within Haldex covers the developement and calibration of the Ford vehicles and i am very sure that the only vehicles within Ford using our product are as following:

All Volvo models
Ford freestyle/500 (for the end of this year)
Mercury Montego (for the end of this year)
Landrover (starting this year)

It can also be discovered easily by looking under the car since we have an ECU attached to our unit saying Haldex and a RDU made by Getrag while Toyoda have a remote ECU in the trunk and a RDU manufactured by Dana.

Best Regards,
Mats

There you have it.
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Good investigating dstone...killer avatar too :laugh:

So enough of this haledex talk i think we need to get some info on our "toyota" system

 

If you guys get a front bias through corners you need to learn how to drive, plain and simple...

 

If you guys get a front bias through corners you need to learn how to drive, plain and simple...
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Wow, there would have been so many other ways to say that w/out sounding like...

 

Wow, there would have been so many other ways to say that w/out sounding like...
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I know but it's the truth... my car power oversteers almost on command... then again I have never driven the with DSC on so I don't know how it acts...

 

i guess your car defys physics and that 3600lb brick automatically tucks in.

 

i guess your car defys physics and that 3600lb brick automatically tucks in.
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Your an idiot.. every experienced person who posts track experience with the car says it oversteers on delivery...