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Just traded 2017 6 sport to get 2020 gt 6.not supper excited about the upgrade because honestly I like the 2.0T accord sport better on:
1. exterior, wheel
2.dashboard design
3. power-train, the 2.0t engine pulls all the way to the redline, whp is very close or even higher than stated on the paper

However, I could not pull the trigger on accord sport, it just really is overpriced for what it is
1. 1000 + dollars expensive than 6 gt
2. less features than 6 gt for example, trash speaker, no auto dimming rear mirror, no leather seat, no double glazed glasses etc

but for 6 gt
2.5t engine is really tuned too soft with short shift AT, which really kills a lot of fun out of 6
some says put on better tires, 93 fuel, ecu learing etc. I just do not buy those arguments. the truth is 6 with turbo is tuned way slower than accord 2.0t
accord takes 87 fuel is fine putting out 250 hp, which feels way faster that stated honestly.

Hopefully, Mazda will change the characteristics of this 2.5t with higher redline and no short shift like what they done on the 2019 ND Miata.
And some third party tunes can be applied on current 6 2.5t to wake it up
 

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I know you said that value for the Accord 2.0T Sport is lousier... but it seems like the performance issues / differences bug you. I am a bit sad for you... that you made that choice because my sense is that most buyers these days seem to gloss over the basic drive quality and then really go after the features. To be sure the 6GT is less sports oriented than the Honda. It DOES do a good job though at its stated purpose. It is pretty refined. Me, I have a '17 Sport 6mt... lack of features and actually lower performance than your (assumedly) 6AT Sport had. I still find it smooth and refined though... and I can make it go down the road swiftly enough ☺. I also find it pretty unique - a bit of a unicorn. Pretty big 4 dr sedan - though with that strange contraption called a manual transmission haha.
 

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Interesting conversation! I have a 2016 MT Touring6. I guess the driving is okay, but I come from a background of much smaller, lighter, far sportier cars, so it's not great. Yes, I'm very happy to have the creature comforts of the big sedan.

I am, however, furious that in order to get the manual transmission (in a USA car) I had to give up LED headlights, heated seats, radar cruise control and many more of the increasingly-important luxuries.

I also feel the NA 2.5 Mazda motor is worse than anemic and should be putting out 220ish hp even normally aspirated. And hate the low rev limit.
 

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I know you said that value for the Accord 2.0T Sport is lousier... but it seems like the performance issues / differences bug you. I am a bit sad for you... that you made that choice because my sense is that most buyers these days seem to gloss over the basic drive quality and then really go after the features. To be sure the 6GT is less sports oriented than the Honda. It DOES do a good job though at its stated purpose. It is pretty refined. Me, I have a '17 Sport 6mt... lack of features and actually lower performance than your (assumedly) 6AT Sport had. I still find it smooth and refined though... and I can make it go down the road swiftly enough ☺. I also find it pretty unique - a bit of a unicorn. Pretty big 4 dr sedan - though with that strange contraption called a manual transmission haha.
I need to drive 100 miles a day round trip to work and home. the 2017 sport 6at was very very good on gas no matter how I drove it. it constantly gave 34 miles/gallon. but since I drive so much a day, the 6 sport was too noisy, too basic on the speaker, less luxurious interior and some how slower(I need some fun after work). those are the reason I traded it.
so you would say 2020 6 gt is perfect for you that very luxurious interior with 11 speaker Bose. and 2.5t with 310 lb of torque, very good handling. so win win. it also true, that is why I got it for the best decision I could make.

though, I still am very wanting an accord 2.0t sport. I also looked at it twice if I saw it on the road or mirror. could be that I had 2017 6, even with the refresh, and same steeling wheel and gear shifter, it did not give me complete fresh feeling. and 19 inch wheel is not as attractive as accord's.

I think maybe I ask for too much, with better overall features but I ask for more engine performance,
accord, better engine performance, I ask for more features and luxurious. (however, Accord is really really overpriced I am 200% sure).
 

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Interesting conversation! I have a 2016 MT Touring6. I guess the driving is okay, but I come from a background of much smaller, lighter, far sportier cars, so it's not great. Yes, I'm very happy to have the creature comforts of the big sedan.

I am, however, furious that in order to get the manual transmission (in a USA car) I had to give up LED headlights, heated seats, radar cruise control and many more of the increasingly-important luxuries.

I also feel the NA 2.5 Mazda motor is worse than anemic and should be putting out 220ish hp even normally aspirated. And hate the low rev limit.
I also have an Acura TL 2012 with j35 motor, sure, all premium features. this J35 revs high and fast, sweet.refined.
TL is ok on gas but it takes Premium only, for 100 miles a day cruise, will cost too much on gas. and love it, want to keep it even longer. own it for 5 years already.

I think my expectation is too high on both motor and features. so why not just give 2.5t a little bit more, Mazda!!!
 

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Interesting conversation! I have a 2016 MT Touring6. I guess the driving is okay, but I come from a background of much smaller, lighter, far sportier cars, so it's not great. Yes, I'm very happy to have the creature comforts of the big sedan.

I am, however, furious that in order to get the manual transmission (in a USA car) I had to give up LED headlights, heated seats, radar cruise control and many more of the increasingly-important luxuries.

I also feel the NA 2.5 Mazda motor is worse than anemic and should be putting out 220ish hp even normally aspirated. And hate the low rev limit.
I, too, wish I had bought a sportier car. I think the 2.5 NA should have more "go" power. And though I COULD get the interior noise down to really low levels - it'd be a lot of work. I'm P'd that I would need to do that 😠. I guess I shouldn't complain. I did the test-driving; I did the buying. I wanted to buy brand-new... an "un-molested" manual transmisssion car. I got it for a good deal. I didn't pay a lot. But I should have bought a faster / sportier car. I WOULD have bought a Jetta GLI or a Golf GTI... but was afraid of the long-term re the VW's. I would have bought a BMW sedan but for the fact that i) they hold that dang svce manual so close to their collective chest (so you HAVE TO) go to BMW for other than routine svce; ii) stupid, stupid lack of a crankcase dipstick; iii) inability to buy ANY manual-transmission-internal parts - just buy a factory rebuilt transmission (for a king's ransom) if a bearing or a synchro gets knackered.

The Mazda is more owner-maintainer friendly. Just wish it was faster and had more built-in quality / finish. I'm happy with simple/stupid by way of features.

A 13:1 c.r. 2.5 litre nornally aspirated engine absolutely should make more than 185 hp /186 ft lbs torque... I will get a tune, based on 91 octane, to help it a bit.

I DO like the fact that it drives smoothly; undamaged, with long life expectancy ahead of it.
 

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I, too, wish I had bought a sportier car. I think the 2.5 NA should have more "go" power. And though I COULD get the interior noise down to really low levels - it'd be a lot of work. I'm P'd that I would need to do that 😠. I guess I shouldn't complain. I did the test-driving; I did the buying. I wanted to buy brand-new... an "un-molested" manual transmisssion car. I got it for a good deal. I didn't pay a lot. But I should have bought a faster / sportier car. I WOULD have bought a Jetta GLI or a Golf GTI... but was afraid of the long-term re the VW's. I would have bought a BMW sedan but for the fact that i) they hold that dang svce manual so close to their collective chest (so you HAVE TO) go to BMW for other than routine svce; ii) stupid, stupid lack of a crankcase dipstick; iii) inability to buy ANY manual-transmission-internal parts - just buy a factory rebuilt transmission (for a king's ransom) if a bearing or a synchro gets knackered.

The Mazda is more owner-maintainer friendly. Just wish it was faster and had more built-in quality / finish. I'm happy with simple/stupid by way of features.

A 13:1 c.r. 2.5 litre nornally aspirated engine absolutely should make more than 185 hp /186 ft lbs torque... I will get a tune, based on 91 octane, to help it a bit.

I DO like the fact that it drives smoothly; undamaged, with long life expectancy ahead of it.
honestly, as my opinion on the 2.5 NA, I felt it was a bit raw either at idling or regular operation. it is a very reliable motor, Mazda should have built it smoother and refined as 2.0L on 2019 Miata, the sound is greater than 2.5. somehow I feel like the 2.5T is smoother than 2.5NA, could be lower Compression Ratio and softer mount. At idling and cold start, it sounds healthier.
 

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Yeah.... it is more coarse. Startup - it's running with the exhaust valves a bit open, purposely, to light-off the pre-cat quicker. But after less than a min. (usually after 20 sec's) that ceases. But it is more coarse as the revs build in normal operation.

Can't argue with the car's overall reliability though.
 

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I seriously considered the Honda 2.0T Sport instead of my Mazda6 GT. What killed the Honda considerations for me were:

- no shift knob (push buttons?? really Honda? REALLY?)
- stereo system is comical
- brakes have 'unsatisfying' feel
- Not a fan of the 'Sportback' look
- No Honda incentives (Mazda loyalty = $1,500)
- No leather seating
- Too much exterior chrome
- weak fit and finish
- No SIRIUS XM
- Questionable tuning 10sp AT; noticeable turbo lag
- No NAV w/ 6 speed transmission


My $.02
 

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You guys and your straight line worries - the 6 drives circles around Accords (and all others in its segment) day in and day out, and is the reason I went with it. Slap some nicer/wider tires on it, get some better brakes and suspension, and every corner can put a smile on your face with minimal effort; that's the premise behind everything Mazda designs: making driving fun.

Besides....... the accord is such a cookie-cutter car, at least I feel somewhat unique in the 6 :)

As for not getting MTX in higher trims, blame that on the increasingly-lazy segment of drivers :\
 

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I only drove the 6mt Turbo's... both the 1.5T and the 2.0T. I didn't mind the latter... but I didn't find it to be a torque monster down low. Was not so impressed that it made my 6 irrelevant... especially for the $. Also... bit of a "humpback" in side profile view?
 

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honestly, as my opinion on the 2.5 NA, I felt it was a bit raw either at idling or regular operation. it is a very reliable motor, Mazda should have built it smoother and refined as 2.0L on 2019 Miata, the sound is greater than 2.5. somehow I feel like the 2.5T is smoother than 2.5NA, could be lower Compression Ratio and softer mount. At idling and cold start, it sounds healthier.
Car reviewers say the same thing, the 2.5T is quieter and smoother than the NA 2.5L.
 

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I seriously considered the Honda 2.0T Sport instead of my Mazda6 GT. What killed the Honda considerations for me were:

  • no shift knob (push buttons?? really Honda? REALLY?)
  • stereo system is comical
  • brakes have 'unsatisfying' feel
  • Not a fan of the 'Sportback' look
  • No Honda incentives (Mazda loyalty = $1,500)
  • No leather seating
  • Too much exterior chrome
  • weak fit and finish
  • No SIRIUS XM
  • Questionable tuning 10sp AT; noticeable turbo lag
  • No NAV w/ 6 speed transmission

My $.02
apart from the engine opinion on the 2.0t accord, reasons I chose the 6 GT is pretty much same as yours.
As you mentioned about turbo lag on the 2.0t, other than the lag, what do you think about 2.0t compared to 2.5t in terms of the pull and high end power?
 

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You guys and your straight line worries - the 6 drives circles around Accords (and all others in its segment) day in and day out, and is the reason I went with it. Slap some nicer/wider tires on it, get some better brakes and suspension, and every corner can put a smile on your face with minimal effort; that's the premise behind everything Mazda designs: making driving fun.

Besides....... the accord is such a cookie-cutter car, at least I feel somewhat unique in the 6 :)

As for not getting MTX in higher trims, blame that on the increasingly-lazy segment of drivers :\
actually, a lot reviews pointed out handling of10th gen accord is very impressive, good cornering, very little body roll with slightly wider and better tire.
 

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Just traded 2017 6 sport to get 2020 gt 6.not supper excited about the upgrade because honestly I like the 2.0T accord sport better on:
1. exterior, wheel
2.dashboard design
3. power-train, the 2.0t engine pulls all the way to the redline, whp is very close or even higher than stated on the paper

However, I could not pull the trigger on accord sport, it just really is overpriced for what it is
1. 1000 + dollars expensive than 6 gt
2. less features than 6 gt for example, trash speaker, no auto dimming rear mirror, no leather seat, no double glazed glasses etc

but for 6 gt
2.5t engine is really tuned too soft with short shift AT, which really kills a lot of fun out of 6
some says put on better tires, 93 fuel, ecu learing etc. I just do not buy those arguments. the truth is 6 with turbo is tuned way slower than accord 2.0t
accord takes 87 fuel is fine putting out 250 hp, which feels way faster that stated honestly.

Hopefully, Mazda will change the characteristics of this 2.5t with higher redline and no short shift like what they done on the 2019 ND Miata.
And some third party tunes can be applied on current 6 2.5t to wake it up

I agree with most of what you are saying and I was also looking at the Accord 2.0t when I got my 2018 GTR.
The Mazda has been a very good car. It is more luxurious than anything else in its class, and I also think it looks the best in the midsize class too.
But like you I have been frustrated by the engine. It is a truck engine, something that was clearly designed for the CX-9 and they just shoved it in their midsize car without altering the tuning whatsoever. The lack of high rpm grunt is frustrating and the redline is much too low for a sporty car like this. Now there is not much lag at the low rpms and the Accord definitely had more, but the way the accord gets up to speed is more fun, the engine note is better and it feels like it rips through the gears. The mazda engine gets the job done but with no drama. But in these days where people are raving about electric cars acceleration (while not realizing how boring they truly are) I suppose the lack of drama has become more prevalent among cars. Some of us old enthusiasts get it, the newer, hip guys don't get it so it's totally ok to put a truck engine in a car.
 

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I agree with most of what you are saying and I was also looking at the Accord 2.0t when I got my 2018 GTR.
The Mazda has been a very good car. It is more luxurious than anything else in its class, and I also think it looks the best in the midsize class too.
But like you I have been frustrated by the engine. It is a truck engine, something that was clearly designed for the CX-9 and they just shoved it in their midsize car without altering the tuning whatsoever. The lack of high rpm grunt is frustrating and the redline is much too low for a sporty car like this. Now there is not much lag at the low rpms and the Accord definitely had more, but the way the accord gets up to speed is more fun, the engine note is better and it feels like it rips through the gears. The mazda engine gets the job done but with no drama. But in these days where people are raving about electric cars acceleration (while not realizing how boring they truly are) I suppose the lack of drama has become more prevalent among cars. Some of us old enthusiasts get it, the newer, hip guys don't get it so it's totally ok to put a truck engine in a car.
Mazda 6 is not the majority in the market. so even the tune is not easy to find, not like honda. Orange is not doing the Mazda anymore.
 

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Interesting. You know those emails your dealer sends you that they want your car then offers a deal on a new one? I got one today. They want my 2018 6MT and offers a 2020 Sport for over $150 more per month? Don't they proofread these offers? I guess some people still bite. 2018 is the last year for 6MT. Needless to say I'm keeping mine.
 
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