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Don't worry. It doesn't harm the handling. The 2.0 model in Sweden is also a bit smoother, but according to tests it doesn't have any implications on the cornering abilities etc.
 

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It's sad to know. I wrote an e-amil to Mazda USA on this, but I haven't got a reply yet.
 

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SONS OF BI***ES

As I said in another thread, I am so sick of these companies mushing the suspension up for the US.

Pleah.
 

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Great.

I really don't know what to say except that I'm EXTREMELY disappointed. I had read awhile back in an interview that the Mazda6 was going to be a world car, and that there would be no differences in suspension tuning from country to country.

Great job Mazda. You really just pushed me back from considering this to be the revelation I was waiting for. Cushy and a good ride is all that garbage we can get from EVERY OTHER SINGLE COMPETITOR, and I think every single one of us here is extremely disappointed to see this happen. When you talk of being the benchmark for handling, don't procede to detune the suspension "Because that's what Americans like". We don't. At least not those of us who would consider buying the 6.

Man, when I read about what the 6 was supposed to be, and how it arrived in Japan and Europe, I was so excited. Now, to find out that there will not be Navigation, DSC, no ACC on I4 models, and then add on the detuned suspension I'm pretty turned off.

Mazda, you pussed out. You quite possibly lost a sale because of it. And I can't be the only one....
 

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            Great.

I really don't know what to say except that I'm EXTREMELY disappointed.  I had read awhile back in an interview that the Mazda6 was going to be a world car, and that there would be no differences in suspension tuning from country to country.

Great job Mazda.  You really just pushed me back from considering this to be the revelation I was waiting for.  Cushy and a good ride is all that garbage we can get from EVERY OTHER SINGLE COMPETITOR, and I think every single one of us here is extremely disappointed to see this happen.  When you talk of being the benchmark for handling, don't procede to detune the suspension "Because that's what Americans like".  We don't.  At least not those of us who would consider buying the 6.

Man, when I read about what the 6 was supposed to be, and how it arrived in Japan and Europe, I was so excited.  Now, to find out that there will not be Navigation, DSC, no ACC on I4 models, and then add on the detuned suspension I'm pretty turned off.

Mazda, you pussed out.  You quite possibly lost a sale because of it.  And I can't be the only one....[/b]
You said it well. It's kind of counterproductive, they release the '6 and brag about the market it's geared to, and then they change it!!

Let's make CD's sound like cassettes while we are at it. Make DVD's look and sound like videocassettes.

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I guess it's all too good for us. Just plunge this success into the mainstream. I can't express how disappointed I am!! At least offer two suspension packages, then!

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How bad can it be??? I'm not exactly convinced there will be a huge difference, and I don't plan on racing with my Mazda6 when i get it.... :sarc Doesn't change my mind on the car...

At least we will get the sunglass holder over the head, that is a neat feature!!!:D
 

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You all realize that there will probably be a sport suspension option, and two you could change the suspension yourself with minimal expense. As to the sunglass holder, I have one in my Nissan Sentra, and it is VERY useful.
 

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Rereading the responses above I have to make another comment. First of all, saying you won't buy the Mazda for its suspension is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. That's like saying the Mazda shouldn't be bought because it's not boy-racer enough, and doesn't come with a nitrous canister. That is insane. Currently Mazda has ONE well-selling car in the US. It's called the Miata. By all means buy that world car. Mazda is NOT doing well financially. You want them to make a car for your specifications, rather than the specifications of most people in the LARGEST CAR MARKET IN THE WORLD. Get with the program. That's why we have aftermarket. I personally would like Mazda to be around for awhile, and though their cars are not perfect I can critique them till they are. If you want, buy an Altima and enjoy tons o' torque steer that will enable you to crash into a wall. Plus all of the 6s competitors have detuned suspensions. I'll enjoy my 6, you enjoy your 5k more expensive Altima with ultra cheap interior and wierd taillights.
 

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I am disappointed to hear that the suspension is detuned. However, I am not going to jump on the bandwagon yet and go with the competitor. I know all the other competitor have gone with the mushy plushy ride. So no matter what I lost and the auto industry won. I can not win either way unless I spend a huge sum of money and buy an Audi A4 or a BMW 3 series.

I will make up my mind once I test drive the sucker whenever it decide to come to the dealership. I am still highly anticipated on testing the new Mazda6 so I can have something to compare with the new 2003 Accord. If everything is too plushy and I can not stand it than I might just go on a diet for a while and spend the little more money on a Audi A4 or the new Acura TSX.

But for now, I can read all sort of bad thing about Mazda 6, I will make up my mind when I test drive it.
 

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I understand your disappointment, I really do. But none of you has actually driven this car yet. I have.

Mazda6 is a VERY firm ride, it's rigidity and stiffness is extreme. "Mushing" up the suspension won't change this. And also: I think that any Mazda6 that comes with a sport package won't have the mushed suspension. Mazda actually knows how to please their main targets.

Mazda has aimed this car to be the sportiest alternative in this section of the market. Can't think they would forget about those who actually like that part of the deal.

And if they do - going from extreme stiffness to just stiffness wouldn't change this being a very pleasant ride. And don't even think they would change it so much it altered the basic characteristics of the vehicle. They won't.
 

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isnt the acura TSX...the same as the european accord?...except for the US market??
 

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Yes, the new Acura TSX rumor is that is supposed to be the Euro or JDM version of the Accord.

Funny, how Honda has market their cars to go against the domestic car. All Honda's car are made here in North America for North American. At least that is what Honda think what North American wants. Honda and all the other Japanese offerings have now have many years of experience of what the majority likes in their car. Yes I agree that most people would like a soft and plushy mushy car but they have alienate the driving fanatics that bought Honda and other JDM car before.

I guess that is why Honda came out with Acura to support the few that would pay the extra premium for the rights to have a car that is more Import feeling.

Now I am hoping that they don't go and messed up the TSX as well by detuning the suspension. I know they will have a detuned engine since that always happen. But then again that is warranted since our fuel over here is so dirty and low performance.

Same goes with Mazda and the new 6, if they detuned it so much to lose its selling characteristic which is suppose to be ZOOM ZOOM then I will surely be disappointed and will wait for the TSX or go with German branding. German/European made car will always stay true to its sport nature. They have not sold their soul to North American way. Their belief is if you don't like, don't buy it. Seem to work since so many enthusiast still buy BMW, Audi, Mercedes and so on forth.

That is why we will never see the DI engine since our fuel is so bad.
 

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.. I know they will have a detuned engine since that always happen.  But then again that is warranted since our fuel over here is so dirty and low performance...

...That is why we will never see the DI engine since our fuel is so bad.[/b]
Actually I heared that the engine for the TSX will be tuned up to make more power in North America. And as for DI... the Audi RS6 is headed over here and it has Direct Injection. So that's cool.


As far as the suspension issue debate goes, I agree with reserving my judgment until I actually test drive one.

Jerome81 mentioned the point about there not being any Navigation, DSC and ACC. Mazda has already addressed the Navigation issue and said it's one of their priorities to get it in the 6 even before the hatch and wagon are released. As far as DSC in concerned.. I’m disappointed to. And yes I think there should be at least the option for ACC on the i4 since the 4 cylinder will undoubtedly be the version that sells the most.

I think it's possible that the second year versions of the 6 will have significantly improved options available over the 2003's. They've already mentioned their intentions of making AWD available some time in the future. I just hope they try hard to get as many of these options into the hatch and wagon for the first release. It seems most of us here are passing on the sedan anyway and waiting for the hatch. In a way I think we’re a great example of what Mazda should be thinking about. Most of us on this board are enthusiasts and most of us are waiting for the hatch. None us want mushy suspension. So Mazda, do what you want with the sedan, but don’t mess with the hatch!! We want at least one hardcore version of the 6...the way it was meant to be.

And Mazda even though we in N/A seem like a bunch of nit-pickers sometimes, we really do appreciate what you’ve done with the creation of the 6. We’re only trying to give you constructive criticism. It’s just that so many of us here in North America are just sooo tired of getting everything watered down….. Please help :)
 

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The simplest, and most obvious solution in my mind is to offer CHOICES. I know, I know, the American consumer gets too confused when offered too many choices. We get bewildered by the choices available at a restaurant: baked potato or rice, soup or salad, what dressing with the salad, etc. :sarc But what if they offered a sport suspension package a la the European brands that they supposedly benchmarked themselves against. So soccer mom who wants it cushy can have it her way, and enthusiasts can have it their way. The same applies to the stupid option packages. If someone wants cloth upholstery and ABS with the sport package, but no moonroof, then they should be able to get it that way. For the indecisive buyer, you can present pre-made packages to limit the number of decisions they have to make. But at the same time, offer the ability to custom order the car to any specification. Is this rocket science? Hello, Mazda, are you taking notes?
 

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I hear ya. I'm sure most people would be fine with having to wait maybe 2 or 3 extra months for a custom ordered car that comes exactly as they want it. Is it really that hard? I'm no production line specialist so maybe it is a difficult thing, I don't know. Any one have any comments on this?
 

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Guys,

I got a reply from mazda. They said the suspesion is the same as europe. The words are from HR, so they may not be truth.. just hope mazda sticks with the plan.

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Thank you for contacting Mazda North American Operations. I appreciate
the opportunity to respond to you.

In regards to your inquiry, the Mazda6 suspensions for the United
States and European markets are the same. To be clear, the United
States suspension is not softer than in Europe. I hope this information
proves helpful to you.

We appreciate your interest in the all-new Mazda6! If you would like to
be included in any future marketing updates, please send me your
contact information.

Zoom-Zoom!
 

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Oh and tcwong what's the email address to MazdaUSA?
 
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