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Oh, the agony. Given that we're all dwellers here on the Mazda6 forum, those of us in North America are surely on at least somewhat of the same wavelength: I'm just dying for this friggin' car to be released.

Kind of wonder what the problem is-- Why is North America the last place to roll the car out!? What logic does this idea come from? I suppose some of it might be to try and hype everyone up about the car and build up anticipation, but for me, it's just pissing me off.

For me, I can't and won't risk buying this car (even if I can afford it) right when it's released. For one thing, it will not have been around long enough to compile a record of its reliability, and secondly, when they first come out here in N.A. you just knowthey'll be bending everyone over with full markups and the like. I figure I'll have to wait at least a year before we really know how well built and engineered this car is, and also by that time you'll be able to take advantage of year end close out rebates and the like to save more money. That's about the only way I'd be able to afford one of these. And if you want a hatchback? Hurry up and wait! It's OVER a year away. What the f!???

Anyway, sorry to rant. Just had to get that off my chest.
 

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My chief worry comes from the v6 Ford engine. Not good. I've heard of problems with this engine, and if I'm going to get this car, I need a v6. I've also heard that the latest versions of this engine are decent, but that remains to be seen. Another thing I've read is that Mazda transmissions are not the best, and are expensive to replace. An example is the Ford Escort, which had a Mazda transmission that cost thousands to replace. Mazda, I fear is like Mitsubishi, everyone thinks that they're reliable because they're Japanese, but they're really not that reliable at all....
 

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Sorry dudes, that's just the price to pay for being informed. Just think how happy you'd be if you didn't know about the 6 at all and then one day saw one drive by. Then you'd say WTF was that?! Then you'd go straight to your Mazda dealer and demand a test drive and probably drive it home. Ignorance is bliss! :sarc Sadly though you've found out about the car months in advance of its release date.
I lurked on some of the Subaru Impreza boards before the WRX was released, and it was the exact same BS: "My sphincter's gonna burst if I can't buy this car by tomorrow!", "Subaru should travel back in time and build them last year, then they could release them now!", "I'm a big whiny baby! I need instant gratification!". Obviously I'm paraphrasing a bit. :D
Please don't take the previous paragraph too seriously or personally; it is not intended to point to any one person. Everyone does feel the way you do: it's part of the problem of being an early adopter. If not for those of us who say "I gotta have it", there would be way less excitement in the marketplace. As for why North America is last, please keep in mind that they had to overhaul the plant in Flat Rock in order to accomodate the new model. They overhauled the plant in Hiroshima last year, and began production in February. Also NA is a big market, so probably needs more lead time.

Mazdaman,
Unfortunately Mazda's recent quality record is not promising, and I've had the same concerns you have. According to JD Power's latest survey of initial quality among automakers, Mazda is BELOW the industry average. Now you have to keep in mind that this includes the pitiful Tribute, and the less pitiful Mazda truck; both rebadged Ford products. If you look at the models over which Mazda has had more complete control (ie Protege, 626, Millennia); you will find that their quality is quite good. It is still something that they need to work on, but I have a feeling that with everything on the line they will be VERY stringent on quality issues with the 6. As for the transmissions; well the reports on the Miata trannies are of course legendarily good (not so good for the 6 speed versions). The Miata shifter/tranny were the benchmark for shifter feel and arguably still among the best. Replacement parts for Mazdas probably will be more expensive than for say a Honda because it's a smaller company that sells fewer cars. One of the benefits of being part of the Camcord sheep herd is that with 800,000+ of these sheepmobiles being sold every year, parts can be easily had. There is a price to pay for straying from the crowd.
 

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I looked back in an old thread, and saw duratecperformance talking about leaky oil filters on the V6. Of course an engine without oil is soon to be a destroyed engine, so I'm posting this question to duratec and to whoever else might know, has Ford fixed this problem?
 

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Add me to the cry baby list. Like just about everyone else, I'm interested in the hatchback and don't want to wait for over a year for it to on sale in the USA. The hatchback and wagon are going to be 2004 models according to this article. I think Mazda goofed big time by choosing to sell the sedan before the hatchback.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/firstd...p?articleid=232
 

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I don't have a problem with Mazda releasing the hatchback late, at least not that big of a problem. Both models are not going to sell as well as the sedan, I mean the station wagon as well. I live in LA home of the import car, where every third car is a BMW, and I do not see Protege5's that often. Mazda is going to make most of the money off the 4 cylinder sedan. Most of us who are really into cars will want the v6 hatchback, and that is not going to be most of the market. That's better in a way, because our car will be more unique, and not a herd follower. Saab's sales of hatchbacks account for only 16 percent of the 9-3 sales, which is why they are releasing the next 9-3 in sedan form only. Yes the hatchback does look cooler, but it doesn't make financial sense to sell it in a market that mostly dismisses hatchbacks. Remember the BMW 318? Exactly.
 

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Why did Mazda choose to release the sedan before the other models? As Geomorph pointed out, in Japan and Europe, all three models were released almost simultaneously. If you look at Mazda's expected sales splits, you will find the answer:
In Japan, they expect a 40/40/20 split between the hatch/wagon/sedan.
In Europe, they expect a 30/50/20 split.
In the US, they expect something like a 10/20/70 split.
In the US they can take care of the majority of their customers with the sedan. In their other markets, hatchbacks and wagons have historically sold much better. In regards to the Saab 9-3, I believe they're actually following the same strategy. They will release the hatchback model later. I'm not sure if it will be released in the US, but (I think) it will be made.
Mazdaman brings up a good point. All of us on this board are enthusiasts to one degree or another. Stacey soccer mom is going to see the car and say "cute"! I think I'll buy one. She will then plunk her money down on the 4 cylinder sedan. For some reason here in the US wagons and hatchbacks have a rather negative image. Station Wagons are viewed as staid and boring (due to the efforts of a previous generation of Staceys). Hatchbacks are viewed as being "cheap". I don't understand it at all. Either the wagon or the hatchback is so much more versatile than the sedan that I don't even understand why sedans exist anymore.
To contrast, in Europe, Station Wagons, or Estate Cars as they're called over there, are seen as more luxurious and practical than their sedan counterparts. Hatchbacks have a sporty image, due to the heritage of "hot hatches" that Europe has had since the introduction of the first VW Golf GTI. A car that was brought over here and dumbed down to the "Rabbit" because most Americans are too stupid to appreciate sportiness. "Duh, that car's ride is too bumpy. You should soften up the suspension. And I don't like the way that engine screams at me when I push the gas pedal. You should put a nice big gas guzzler in there. Those tires are too soft. They wear out too fast. Give me some nice hard 80,000 mile tires". Oh, the humanity! :sarc :(
Anyway, this is why we NEVER get the good cars over here. Every time the foreign manufacturers have tried it, they've been stymied by Americans' backward lackadaisical attitude toward driving. Everywhere else, driving is a pleasure, not a chore. Sorry for the rant y'all, I guess I'm frustrated too. :p
 

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Kenoka, I agree with your reasoning as to why Mazda is selling the sedan here in the US before the other models but, in my opinion, that is backward thinking. First of all, let me tell you that I am not a car enthusiat. I am female and 49 years old. I currently own a very nice 1991 Integra that has been a great car, but I would like to move up to something a little roomier and especially more versatile. I was seriously considering the VW Passat wagon until I saw pictures of the Mazda 6 wagon and hatchback, and decided I would wait awhile to see one of these cars in person. I guess I'll be waiting a lot longer that I thought, if I'm going to get my hands on either of those models.

What Mazda is totally overlooking, along with other car makers, is the power of the internet to influence our choices and desires. I've been researching new car models to replace my Integra for over a year online. I not only check out USA manufacturers web sites for info, but all the international web sites too, so I know what is being offered elsewhere and not here. But, I feel that car marketers have probably put me in that middle-aged, female sedan buyer group. WRONG................................. Listen Mazda, just like the rest of the world, I want SPORTY and VERSATILE too! And that's my rant.
 

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I think you are a car enthusiast. You went out of your way to look up a car that doesn't exist yet in America, and is just beginning to come out in the world. On top of that, you went and found a fan website, and posted on the message board of said website. You hardly represent the normal buyer. Mazda is on shaky financial ground; they rarely turn a profit, and they're part of a huge conglomerate that is having trouble making a profit as well, Ford. People in this country really don't like hatchbacks, and Mazda doesn't want to see a ton of hatchbacks piling up on lots, making them look bad. They have one of the weakest dealer networks in the country, more bankrupt dealers, and that's the last we see of Mazda here.
 

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Mazdaman, If my husband saw your post about me being a car enthusiast, he would laugh his head off. I hardly know how to put air in the tires or check the oil. I also read and post in a Home Theater forum because I want to replace my 17 year old Sony TV with a wide screen HDTV. That being said, I am not a Home Theater enthusiast. I can hardly firgure out all the buttons on all our remotes for the TV, DVD, VCR and receiver. I join forums mostly to get information from people who are looking into the same things I am and I'm especially interested in what the Average Joe owner thinks about whatever it is I'm researching.

Oh, and I'm worried about the Mazda dealership network too, or should I say lack thereof. Nearest dealer to me is 30 miles away.
 

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Oh, and I'm worried about the Mazda dealership network too, or should I say lack thereof.  Nearest dealer to me is 30 miles away.[/b]
Wow where do you live? I know of at least 4 Dealerships all withing 30 mins (closest one being 10)
 

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Gujustud: California, San Franciso Bay Area, east bay. Our local Ford dealer used to sell Ford, Mercury and Mazda but dropped the Mazda franchise about two years ago.
 

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The Duratec engine is a very good engine. I havent heard of anyone in the Cougar, Contour, Escape, Taurus, etc communities that have had their engine fail on them out of nowhere. The engine doesnt need a tuneup until 100,000 miles.

As far as the oil filter thing, that had to do with either the lame person changing the oil and not putting the oil filter on tight enough, or possibly too tight.... or a faulty Motorcraft oil filter. I have 55000 miles on my car, many of them VERY hard (drag racing, road racing, etc) and have been using Mobil 1 oil and filters for the last 30,000 miles, and I have no problems.

Everyone really needs to drop the concerns about the engines. That is a complete non-issue. Be more concerned with accesories and what not (power windows, rattles, stereo, etc)......


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Servo,
Being an enthusiast doesn't necessarily mean you're a gearhead. It means you're excited about cars. The fact that you're researching so much, and that you want SPORTINESS is a big step toward the dark side. If you look at the most popular offerings out there, what are their prime components? Economy, comfort, and a don't rock the boat approach to design are what jump to my mind. It's a winning formula for 90% of the populace, and a rather sad commentary on how ignorant the populace is.
:( If they only knew what they were missing.
You also bring up a good point with Home Theater. This is another area where people are mired in ignorance. Again, you have taken the step of educating yourself. You're already halfway to being an enthusiast there too. Once you know what's possible, how could you go back to a 19" TV and mono sound? But most people are happy to be "educated" by their sales drone at the local superstore and end up buying some crappy Bose product when they could have easily gotten better sound for less money.
I think the dealer network is a completely valid concern. There used to be one here in my town, but they switched and now they sell Toyota and Hyundai. My only choices are down in Seattle (1 1/2 hours away) or to go across the border to Canada where there are several dealers within an hour of my house.
 

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For those of you wondering about why NA is being launched last....consider it a blessing in disguise. As many of you know, and have voiced, there are often problems and concerns with new models. Unantipated rattles, problems with part fits, fit and finish tweeks, etc. There are a limited number of resources that Mazda has to make sure that the product is launched with top-notch quality. By launching in the other markets first, they can get a lot of those problems worked out before launching in the most important market, North America. Yes, we have to wait longer. Will our cars likely be better than those previously launched? Highly! Also, I have been to the Flat Rock / Auto Alliance International (AAI) plant, where it will be build for the NA market and this is an exceptional facility! I came from the Honda Accord plant in Ohio before being lured to Ford and the AAI facility is right up there. There has been a huge investment to convert the plant so that it is flexible enough to build all the body styles and the "bugs" of the new system have been worked out with the current model. With the lessons learned from the past launches, the attitude toward quality at AAI, and the ownership experiences in the rest of the world by the time this car is released in NA it should be fantastic!!!
 

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            For those of you wondering about why NA is being launched last....consider it a blessing in disguise.  As many of you know, and have voiced, there are often problems and concerns with new models.  Unantipated rattles, problems with part fits, fit and finish tweeks, etc.  There are a limited number of resources that Mazda has to make sure that the product is launched with top-notch quality.  By launching in the other markets first, they can get a lot of those problems worked out before launching in the most important market, North America.  [/b]
Normally I would agree with you, but in 6's case it might turn out vice versa. They are already ramping up the production in Hofu to meet unexpected demand for the 6. Same situation might occur in NA. IMHO increasing production such a way means cutting corners somewhere and quality is the first thing that comes to mind (in Soviet Russia they called it rationalization).

Furthermore (and please don't take it personally); I remember when they started to make BMW 3-series in NA, there were numerous quality issues concerning US produced bimmers. Maybe it means that the original know-how and technology cannot be matched 100% when making cars overseas (or maybe they just did'nt care).

Anyway, I'm happy to have gotten my 6 before they went all crazy trying to squeeze everything off their production capacity.

Just rubbing it in ;)
 

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Sigvard,
I think usually when they begin production, they leave some "excess" capacity. When ramping up production, it usually doesn't mean that they are speeding up the line. They often start production with two eight hour shifts per 24 hour day. If they begin a third eight hour shift, that increases capacity by 50%. Or they will go to two twelve hour shifts (yikes!) to meet demand until additional workers can be hired and trained.
Anyway you both have good points, but I have heard good things about the Flat Rock plant and Psycho46 has confirmed it first hand. I feel better now.

As to your point regarding perceived quality in American Auto manufacture, I understand. I think many Americans also question the ability of America's auto workers and manufacturers to put out a quality product. On the workers' side, I think a lot of it revolves back to the unions. You will notice that the Japanese manufacturers have gone out of their way to keep the unions out of their plants. Not by any strongarm tactics or anything illegal, but by keeping their workers happy (what a concept! :sarc ). They pay well, give good benefits, and invest in the workers a culture of pride in workmanship. I think union plants could do this (and perhaps some do) but currently the unions are set up purely to protect the worker, and don't address the product at all. Of course this is why they were set up in the first place, so who can blame them?
 

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i feel just as bad as the majority of you who are waiting for the 6 and especially the sporty hatchback version of the 6 but.......

i am sure you people heard this saying before

"Enthusiasts are just gravy."

it's hard to believe it and i understand that.
 
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