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Wow, I need the boost controller! What is the verdict on the Turbo XS fuel/boost controller? I called and talked to them and it sounds like an easy install, no wire cutting....just use wire taps. I could then control the A/F ratio and boost. They said that there will be an upgrade avail in the future to also control timing....

For the money, this looks to be the best option out today. CP-E is trying to do the system that does timing and A/F....but as of this moment you can not buy it that I am aware of.
 

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max gain occurs at 3375rpm where it goes from 227ft/lbs stock to 255ft/lbs with CAI. a gain of 28ft/lbs TQ. your welcome.
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Ok, but last time I checked HP and torque where 2 totally different measurements. I don't see how this proves anything.

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Don't try and compare Diesels with gas vehicles it can't be done.
Since when can you add over 120 WHP with a chip on a gas car?
Here's my X dyno sheet:
Run 2 = Extreme Street - new kick Cayenne's ass mode.
Run 3 = Extreme Race
Run 7 = Stock
Run 8 = Hypertech +50 HP setting
Run 9 = Hypertech +80 HP setting
Run 10 = Hypertech +140 HP setting - previous 14.7 1/4 mile setting
I roll around with the Extreme Street tune.
The thing about the SCT programmers is that sometimes you get some weirdness until the computer relearns everything - that's why the Extreme Race is showing the weird dip.
These are 3rd gear runs (out of 5) as you can select 3 and the tranny will start and stay in that gear.
 

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Wow, comparing a diesel tuner to a gas tuner is crazy. A diesel does not follow the same set of rules, it is dependant on the injection pressure, pulse width, and pulse timing. Your SCT looks terrible by the way. If that were properly tuned you would have a 6.0 in the area of 410-430 HP with 4" exhaust and an intake. 380 is about 40hp low, unless that is a SCT Strategy Flash tuner. If thats a custom tune, who did it? Any ways, you can not do to a gas car what you can with a diesel when talking about tuners. On a Duramax I can do a 350 HP gain with a tuner, on a 6.0 Ford I can do 160HP. On a gas.....most consider themselves lucky to get 30-40 HP tops from a tuner. The water meth kit is not comparable from gas to diesel. Take your 6.0 and toss a stage 2 or stage 3 snow performance kit on there and your talking about 80-120 HP....you will not see that from these gas powered Mazda engines. So you are dead on....it is not a good comparison for tuners or meth, but no one said you can get the same from tuners or meth on a Mazda as you can on a diesel....???? so what exactly is all that about? Diesel.....add tuner and water meth and you add almost 300 HP on your Ford as well as add 600-650 TQ.....no one here claims this is true of a Mazda! Even if you could add that much power and tq....t he engine would crack in half in the Mazda! We are talking 20-30 on the meth, maybe pushing towards 40-50 with a tune that can lean out the fuel/air and increase timing a bit. The 40-50 is not the meth alone, it is the meth and tuner working together. THis is VERY realistic.

BTW your airaid intake is what I consider the best bang for the buck, and performs as well as the AFE that goes for almost twice the cash...good call on that!
 

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Wow, comparing a diesel tuner to a gas tuner is crazy. A diesel does not follow the same set of rules, it is dependant on the injection pressure, pulse width, and pulse timing. Your SCT looks terrible by the way. If that were properly tuned you would have a 6.0 in the area of 410-430 HP with 4" exhaust and an intake. 380 is about 40hp low, unless that is a SCT Strategy Flash tuner. If thats a custom tune, who did it? Any ways, you can not do to a gas car what you can with a diesel when talking about tuners. On a Duramax I can do a 350 HP gain with a tuner, on a 6.0 Ford I can do 160HP. On a gas.....most consider themselves lucky to get 30-40 HP tops from a tuner. The water meth kit is not comparable from gas to diesel. Take your 6.0 and toss a stage 2 or stage 3 snow performance kit on there and your talking about 80-120 HP....you will not see that from these gas powered Mazda engines. So you are dead on....it is not a good comparison for tuners or meth, but no one said you can get the same from tuners or meth on a Mazda as you can on a diesel....???? so what exactly is all that about? Diesel.....add tuner and water meth and you add almost 300 HP on your Ford as well as add 600-650 TQ.....no one here claims this is true of a Mazda! Even if you could add that much power and tq....t he engine would crack in half in the Mazda! We are talking 20-30 on the meth, maybe pushing towards 40-50 with a tune that can lean out the fuel/air and increase timing a bit. The 40-50 is not the meth alone, it is the meth and tuner working together. THis is VERY realistic.

BTW your airaid intake is what I consider the best bang for the buck, and performs as well as the AFE that goes for almost twice the cash...good call on that!
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That is exactly what makes them similar! Not saying that we can get another 300 at the wheels or anything like that, just that the process and variances of tuning our motor will be similar. The DISI squirts fuel directly at the spark plug in a straight stream-line at a wopping ~1500-1700psi! Furthermore, it does this in the compression stroke! The cumbustion is designed to be a flare rather than a bang. This is why I think we will be able to safely squeeze alot more out of these particular motors.
 

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Ok, but last time I checked HP and torque where 2 totally different measurements. I don't see how this proves anything.

Discount sorry about the Hi-Jacking of your thread. I will stop posting on it.
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umm... pdt166, torque is a measure of force, (dynomometers aka dyno's measure torque = force x leverage, in laymans terms), HP is not a measurement, it is the resulting calculation of HP=((torque x rpm)/5252) which represents a historically and socially accepted unit of measure that references the equivalent number of horses (animals) that would theoretically be pulling your vehicle. However, as we all know, our cars aren't actually drawn by real horses (animals) so HP doesn't mean anything usefull. TQ is the only number you should be worried about. That's why a car with 200hp at 7500K can't keep up with a car that makes 200hp at 4K. because it puts out less torque. Please do some research before posting something like that because you're contributing to mis-information on the web and this is a big no-no. :slap:
 

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umm... pdt166, torque is a measure of force, (dynomometers aka dyno's measure torque = force x leverage, in laymans terms), HP is not a measurement, it is the resulting calculation of HP=((torque x rpm)/5252) which represents a historically and socially accepted unit of measure that references the equivalent number of horses (animals) that would theoretically be pulling your vehicle. However, as we all know, our cars aren't actually drawn by real horses (animals) so HP doesn't mean anything usefull. TQ is the only number you should be worried about. That's why a car with 200hp at 7500K can't keep up with a car that makes 200hp at 4K. because it puts out less torque. Please do some research before posting something like that because you're contributing to mis-information on the web and this is a big no-no. :slap:
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That is exactly what makes them similar! Not saying that we can get another 300 at the wheels or anything like that, just that the process and variances of tuning our motor will be similar. The DISI squirts fuel directly at the spark plug in a straight stream-line at a wopping ~1500-1700psi! Furthermore, it does this in the compression stroke! The cumbustion is designed to be a flare rather than a bang. This is why I think we will be able to safely squeeze alot more out of these particular motors.
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Diesels inject fuel during the compression stroke...always.

DISI injects fuel during the compressions stroke ONLY during part-throttle cruising. At wide open throttle the fuel is injected during the intake stroke like a traditional PFI system. FWIW...
 
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Wow - lots of interesting conversation on here. That's great to see, just like when Nitrous came on the scene so many years ago and it wasn't universally understood.

30hp gain at the wheels with no tuning? Totally possible, but not common or likely. What makes it more likely is when there is no intercooler, or the intercooler is heat soaking, and the compressor is past its efficiency range or the intake temps are just plain hot, etc. Also, the more adaptive the engine management, the better the gains without tuning. The more conservative the factory tune in this situation, the more gain you can get. As if the IATs are high, and that triggers ignition retarding and/or boost reduction, an instant gain can be had. If the engine is set very rich, with the addition of 30/70 water/methanol (-20 deg washer fluid), it will richen the mixture slightly (say about 1/3 point) which would very slightly lean the air-fuel mixture, also making more power.

On supercharged V8s, we have seen 30+ hp with no other changes, just injecting water-methanol. Apples and oranges, but still fruit. Again, not common, but totally possible.

I remember talking about the Speed6 and mentioning 30hp with a good tune shouldn't be a problem, but not without doing anything. We tend to be more conservative with our claims. Keep up the discussion, and post some dyno numbers. As long as our customers are happy with the results!
 

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I installed it on mine, and I notice BIG seat-of-the-pants gains! The white knuckled passenger noticed it as well! I have the Super AFC Neo and a True Boost controller at the shop, it will soon be on the car with a wideband. Jun at APEXi has all of the wire diagrams currently and is working for a pin out for the car. He should get back to me tomorow.

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The white knuckled passenger noticed it as well! [/b]
Just go ahead and say it Larry....you scare me you nut case! Dont be surprized when I say no thanks to the first test ride after all the new mods are installed. Your Mazda may be faster than my 7600 pound diesel, but I'll pull a Bigfoot on ya lol. Did I tell you Im not excited about cutting the wireharness on your 500 mile new car? Just food for thought. :D
 

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I dont have a 4x4 dyno to test it on, but I can tell you this......it works. Seat of the pants...the car pulls much harder, and you can use less octane fuel because the meth adds huge octane. I set mine up to come it at 7 lbs of boost and be in full at 14 lbs of boost. I dont know if you got the Snow Performance kit or what, but the Snow kit has a box you run a boost line to and it has 2 adjustable pot switches for adjusting the coming in pressure and the full flow pressure. You set the one where you want flow to start, and you set the other where you want max flow. I run the pump at the full 150 PSI max, but you can also turn pump pressure down if you need to decrease flow more. At the moment I am not running meth until I get a couple thousand miles on it with just the electronic boost control, intake, and BOV to see if the tranny is going to be OK after they rebuilt it. I dont want want to hit it to hard until I get a warm fuzzy feeling saying that the tranny is going to be OK....
 

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you should put a video , like this we can see how the car reacts when it is activated !! it will give us a good idea
 

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Diesels inject fuel during the compression stroke...always.

DISI injects fuel during the compressions stroke ONLY during part-throttle cruising. At wide open throttle the fuel is injected during the intake stroke like a traditional PFI system. FWIW...
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Thats absolutely RIGHT.

And being able to do that also increases our ability to provide fuel significantly.. Believe me, our fueling is ready and able for 400whp no problem.. Maybe even MORE by opening our injectors sooner and holding them open longer with a tuner chip or standalone, and even more STILL by using a bigger primary and secondary pump to increase the pressure a bit! :drive:
 
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