[dj petey]

Water/Meth injection is pretty common these days on older cars that aren't concerned about warranty issues. The subie guys use em, evo guys, dsm guys. It doesn't have the same drawbacks as nitrous so i'd bet you'll see more w/m injection setups than NOS setups lately. The snow performance system uses boost dependent injection and they have a system that is MAF controlled as well.

Just curious, how quickly do you have to refill the full bottle?

 

[dj petey]

Larry, thanks for the info. I was hoping to get that type of mileage. 1 bottle per tank of gas at normal driving is a-ok with me.

theoretically the gains will just keep coming from this mod as you do full turbo back exhaust, more boost, advanced timing , and leaner AFR. good luck with your 400whp goal. can't wait to see it.

 

[dj petey]

I find it very hard to believe that you are seeing 20-30 HP at the Wheels, nor do I believe that Snow can truthfully expect 20-30 HP the wheels without tuning based on their experiance.
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IMHO, I can seet it. Hell CP-E dyno's those types of gains with their intake, exhaust and down pipe, individually! Gawd, i can't wait to see it dynoed as a combo. This platform reaks of bottlenecks due to it's marketing and positioning as a non-sports car. I wouldn't be surprised to see meth injection produce 20-30hp at the wheels given that the weak link on this car is heat, heat, and more heat. And as we all know: heat = detonation = knock = timing retard = boost cut = loss of power. Remember that the gains Larry has found is near readline at the upper end of the rev range where we know boost drops by 50%. any mod that brings that boost back up will automatically see gains. (so long as you're aren't out of the efficiency range of the turbo, which we know we're not as TXS has proven with 13psi at redline and P5freek has proven with 15psi at redline) remember 20-30hp will not be peak but gains but max gains.

 

[dj petey]

Ok, first of all I want to see a stock car that has shown a 20-30HP just by adding a intake.
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max gain occurs at 3375rpm where it goes from 227ft/lbs stock to 255ft/lbs with CAI. a gain of 28ft/lbs TQ. your welcome.

Also, what do you mean by it will be max gains not peak? Are meaning that you might see more power in the mid range while the top end HP is the same.
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i'm not saying exactly where it will or won't make max gains but i know that at 6K the torque drops all the way down to 165ft/lbs after peaking at 249ft/lbs at 4100rpm, a diff of 84ft/lbs. it's pretty damn easy to see how he got at least 1/3 of that back with meth injection even if peak only changed by a few ft/lbs. peak doesn't mean anything, it's area under the curve.

 

[dj petey]

Ok, but last time I checked HP and torque where 2 totally different measurements. I don't see how this proves anything.

Discount sorry about the Hi-Jacking of your thread. I will stop posting on it.
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umm... pdt166, torque is a measure of force, (dynomometers aka dyno's measure torque = force x leverage, in laymans terms), HP is not a measurement, it is the resulting calculation of HP=((torque x rpm)/5252) which represents a historically and socially accepted unit of measure that references the equivalent number of horses (animals) that would theoretically be pulling your vehicle. However, as we all know, our cars aren't actually drawn by real horses (animals) so HP doesn't mean anything usefull. TQ is the only number you should be worried about. That's why a car with 200hp at 7500K can't keep up with a car that makes 200hp at 4K. because it puts out less torque. Please do some research before posting something like that because you're contributing to mis-information on the web and this is a big no-no. :slap: