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full time AWD FTW. haldex FTL.
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I've become more appreciative of our haladex-type system. It can perform a 100-50 split...the same that and EVO can perform. A week ago I was driving with my friend who owns a 05 S4 (as full time an AWD as you can get) and he says he wished his car could break his rear end and overstear as simply as it is for me in my MS6. A slight blip of the throttle in a turn and you are on your way to some rear end fun (with DSC off of course)
 

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Gee, and the same as a 40 year-old pickup truck. 100 to the rear, or 50 to the front! The systems are different. Haldex-like systems are a computer controlled/clutch locking version of a truck 4WD system. There is NO central diff.

The Evo, all Subarus, some Audis are AWD just driving down the street without the wheels slipping. They already are starting off with all wheels driving, not just sending power to the rear wheels when slip is detected, or when one of the sensors detects a problem.

Real-world does it matter? I don't think so, especially if the sensor/software system is good with a Haldex-like system, which I think the MS6 has. Maybe track driving at 10/10s it might appear.
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I don't need a lecture on how my AWD system works...
 

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Except its not the same as the evo can perform the system is COMPLETELY diffrent. The evo starts off at 50-50 driven by true diffrentials. It does not have to become AWD. Haldex is a coupling based system unable to account for diffrences in rotational movement of the wheels. It is primarily front wheel drive with a PTO that couples the rear wheels.
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see post number 17...
 

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you dont want a lecture, but you obviously do need one.
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Ok assclown please explain to me how the electro magnetic solenoid activates to engauge the clutchpack in the coupling located forward of the rear dif to engauge the rear wheels, and also explain how the % of power sent to the rear it determined by the frequency of the pules sent to the solenoid. Don't forget to mention that the drive shaft going to the coupling is always spinning and the computer that operates the coupling is a seperate entity from our ECU but receives information from it as well as, but not limited to, wheel speed, throttle position, brake engagement, driving style/conditions to determine weather to enter it's 3 modes of sport, dry, or snow. Importantly the temerature sensor is to ensure that with an increased frequency the clutch pack does not over heat and become damaged, readings from this temp sensor have the ability to shutdown the solenoid to prevent any futher increase in heat. Other factors including DCS, e-brake, and tire slippage can also affect the AWD computer's decisions. Would you like me to go into how the solenoid itself works with magnetic fields having to do with electromagnetic flux, inertia, and energy capacity? Or maybe the clutchpack with its multiple layers of semiabrasive surfaces properly distnced to not touch eachother till a force overcome the spring rate holding them apart and allows them to transfer motion, similar to thow the clutchpacks in an ATX change gears?

Could you please explain to me how the EVO, S4, and STi work for me too? I'd really appreciate hearing how the electronic controlled mechanical STi center diff works as well as the other vehicle's viscous and mecanical center difs and LSDs allow 4 wheel motion.

Like I said I don't need a lecture on how my AWD works and the next time you feel like mouthing off to someone try taking your head out of your ass so you can be heard more clearly. :thefing:
 

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Wow, some MS6 folks are really touchy when it comes to the AWD system used, hehe.

Cmon, putting out the statement about the "same" torque split ability as the Evo, you must have known you were gonna get the replies you got.

Everybody needs to go :drive: already.

As somebody already hinted at, SH-AWD is great on paper, but if it isn't applied as well as it could be. I still want to see how it works in a more sports-oriented car. Also curious about the long-term reliablity and power-handling ability of the system.
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I just don't appreciate a newb (bani) telling me I don't know my stuff.

I only meant to say the MS6 can perform a 50/50 split up to a 100/0 split.

The Evo can perform a 50/50 split up to a 100/0 split.

They get there by different means (and yes the EVO is a true full time AWD and the MS6 is not)
 

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yep. the MS6 ain't no evo. not by a long shot. wonder why people here insist on comparing the MS6 to a rally car... apparently they keep thinking their MS6 is something it isn't.
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yeah and an RDX is absolutly no MS6 so why is that being compared to it or being discussed in the MS6 forum? Oh wait because they were comparing it's AWD...just like I was comparing the AWD of the EVO to it.

I have no dilusions about what my MS6 is or isnt. If I wanted an EVO I would own one instead of my MS6.
 

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if anything is a "scam" it's haldex, not sh-awd.
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have you ever made a post contributing to the discussion of a topic? Or do all of your posts come down to saying:
*insert topic of discussion here* sucks on the mazdaspeed6
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If you don't want to add something and only want to complain and bash others I suggest you head over to the srt4 forums

the whole point of this topic was Wheels observed a test that the Haladex-type (it's not actually haladex) AWD of the CX-7 outperformed Honda/Acura AWD
 

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I'm gonna have to agree with the MODS on this one...this topic went from interesting to annoying to just plain stupid very quickly...

If random nonsense needs to continue I think we all know where it needs to go:
http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=59323

sorry i took my part in it but i dont appreciate people telling me what I do and do not know.
 
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