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Hello everyone...Great forum. I have been looking in the midsize arena and have found my search very frustrating. I looked at the VW Passat (great back seat, terrible front seats, scary dual-clutch transmission, underpowered engines).

Then I drove the 2014 Accord 4-cylinder and V6. The 4 was a CVT so I waived goodbye. I love the V6 but it vibrated terribly between 1600 and 1800 rpm. Did it on the three I tested. Bye, bye.

The Ford Fusion was just total junk.

Then I went to my local Mazda dealership to drive the new Mazda6. I have a soft spot for Mazdas, and still own a 1985 RX7 GSL, Gray with red interior and it still runs well.

First I told the salesman that I want the Touring with a sunroof. He said it's not available, and that I have to jump up to the Grand Touring to get the roof. I don't need the Rear lip spoiler, Bi-Xenon headlights, LED daytime running lights, Auto on/off headlights, Auto-dimming driver's side mirror, silly Steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters, Advanced Keyless Entry with push-button start, their slow Navigation system with real-time traffic updates, Bose Centerpoint Surround Sound Audio System with 11 speakers, they beyond awful SiriusXM Satellite Radio. That stuff is pretty much useless to me.

I would love Nav, but not the box of crap they designed for the Mazda6. There was no need for me to pay an extra $4,000 for stuff I don't want.

So I went for a test drive. What a joy to drive this car! What a beautiful machine...until I got it on the highway. The wind noise was terrible. The salesman told me that the car needs to be broken in and the wind noise would go away. Yeah right! I asked if I could drive another one and he complied.

The second Mazda6 had the same terrible wind noise. I do a lot of long highway trips for business and really require a quiet cabin. It doesn't have to be tomb-quiet, but at least moderate. This Mazda6 sounds like the window is open.

What a shame. When I first sat in the car, I fully expected to take my checkbook out and start writing. Loved everything about the car until I hit the highway. I was even going to bite the bullet and bump to the Grand Touring. But the wind noise killed the deal.

The salesman told me that this was the first complaint that he ever heard of the wind noise issue. I just glared at him. Then I found this forum and saw how many complaints there are.

It's amazing how many reviews there are on YouTube. What they basically are is a video brochure. Forums are the only place to get real feedback about cars.

So I'm still on my search for my midsize. What a shame that Mazda dropped the ball on the Mazda6. Thanks to all for bringing this issue to light. Great forum!
 

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To be honest I don't have any problem with the wind and barely notice it at all but I can understand if one is driving HWY all the time. Its just I don't pay attention to it and I know that there can be solutions, which I understand not wanting to put money into a new vehicle to make it better...but then I'm the type of car that likes to customize everything. One of the biggest reasons why I got the 6 is that despite personal little issues, that can be found with every car, the 6 was the BEST hands down in comparing similar priced cars that took 87 fuel (plus I wanted a MT and that meant the 6 or the Accord). but hey this is the first generation of a new generation of 6s so I can't wait to see what Mazda brings in the future years.
 

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Good luck with your search. Unfortunately there will always be something about a new car you won't like. It's easy to nitpick. I agree the wind noise is a bit high but nothing intolerable. You kinda get used to it. Surprised what you thought about the fusion though, which engine did you drive? The new fusion 2.0 ecoboost is nothing short of spectacular. We drove it and we loved it. We ended up with the 6 because my wife liked the styling better and the price was better as well.

Also surprised you didn't like the VW DCT. I haven't driven the new passat but all the other cars I've driven with the DCT is it's an awesome transmission and one VW should be proud of. Especially in the GTI that I drove.

Also isn't there a TSB on the excessive wind noise?

Either way I hope your search goes well and let us know what the next vehicle on your list is to try.
 

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It's a shame you couldn't get past those minor things to buy the 6, it's a great car. The navigation, I'll agree (I don't currently have it my my mother's CX5 does) could certainly use an upgrade. However, as for the wind noise, I don't notice any more noise than any other car I've driven. You can't expect this to be as quiet as something like a Lexus. I feel it's a great all around car.
 

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I loved everything about the Mazda6. The styling is dynamic. But the wind noise was intolerable. This is an important launch for Mazda, and to let the car hit the public with that wind noise is inexcusable. From the posts here, many agree.

I also don't understand why Mazda only includes a moonroof on the Grand Touring.

As for the Passat and their DSG, I found it strange to drive in stop-and-go traffic. Plus it's a very complicated design...and from all reports, an expensive fix. It also costs between $400-$800 to do the mandatory 40,000 mile service. I keep my cars 8-10 years, and just don't want to get involved in any of VW's exotic tech. The only car of theirs that I would consider is a Passat 2.5 SE. Excellent Asian 6-speed slushbox mated to their tried-and-true 2.5 litre 5-cylinder engine. Not the most cutting edge, but it will last without drama.

As for the Fusion, their 2.0 Ecoboost turbo just didn't do it for me. Honestly I don't want to get involved with any turbos. Plus, Ford's reputation for reliability is horrendous.

Back to the Mazda6. If they fixed the wind noise issue, I'd be at the dealership tomorrow with cash in fist. Given that I keep my cars for up to 10 years, the extra bump to the Grand Touring would be fine. Too bad that Mazda put such a terrible Nav system in the car.

If Mazda offered a sunroof option on all trim levels, I would opt for the Touring. That's the only feature that I care about. I appreciate the input.
 

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Maybe the 2015 have some improvements on the windnoise, some even have said later builds don't have the windnoise and you can get a sunroof on the 2015 Touring.
2015 should be here shortly
 

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In fact, the CX-5 is not nearly as bad as the 6 regarding wind noise/ infiltration. I'm a straight shooter and do not care who it offends, and I think you made the right choice to pass. If I had to do over again, I'd keep walking too. The nav, straight up trash, period. Forums are a great source of info, long as you don't buy the fanboi BS, and it's on all vehicle forums, because legit buyer remorse is a bitter pill to swallow. Sad part is the car has some very good aspects, but the defects are so glaring, and the denials go straight up the line right to North American Mazda.

Good luck on your search, as everything currently in this segment has some sort of Achilles heel. I guess it comes down to picking the lesser of the evils as you see them.
 

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Thanks Badself! I knew about the wind noise from my test drive, but if it wasn't for this forum, I never would have known about the rubbish nav unit and the defective weather-stripping. That's a pretty long list for Mazda to address...and it doesn't seem that they even care. It's not like people are beating down the doors for their cars.

I save up for my cars and pay cash. I expect a car to be reliable and solidly built. What Mazda does is send buyers into the arms of the competition. Frankly, I've even started looking at CPO Lexus ES350's. At least I know what I'm getting...and it won't let me down. I won't ever drive a Camry. I live in NYC and every other cab is a Camry. The Mazda6 is unique. If they got their quality control together and junked the Nav, they would have the most compelling product in the midsize category.

And I'm really starting to hate online and written reviews. They tell you nothing.
 

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Thanks Badself! I knew about the wind noise from my test drive, but if it wasn't for this forum, I never would have known about the rubbish nav unit and the defective weather-stripping. That's a pretty long list for Mazda to address...and it doesn't seem that they even care. It's not like people are beating down the doors for their cars.

I save up for my cars and pay cash. I expect a car to be reliable and solidly built. What Mazda does is send buyers into the arms of the competition. Frankly, I've even started looking at CPO Lexus ES350's. At least I know what I'm getting...and it won't let me down. I won't ever drive a Camry. I live in NYC and every other cab is a Camry. The Mazda6 is unique. If they got their quality control together and junked the Nav, they would have the most compelling product in the midsize category.

And I'm really starting to hate online and written reviews. They tell you nothing.
Best of luck, I specifically did not get the navi because how bad it is. So I can definitely understand those gripes. I'd rather use my portable Garmin. Also you claim you won't ever drive a Camry, a Lexus ES350 is just a glorified Camry.
 

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I did not care about the navi because I use my Garmin. Why pay again for what you already have? I can update Garmin maps much cheaper and is portable. Wind noise is a genuine complaint but after almost 11 months of ownership I did get used to it but again I do not do a whole lot of long Hwy drives. Infotainment system is no big deal for me as has been beaten up on this forum, I just plunk in my fav CDs and happy. As I wrote in another thread , after experiencing M6 for a while I am not liking the look/drive of some of these luxury cars (specifically Avalon, Accura, Lexus) that I had a chance to ride. Again each individual has their preferences and I respect them.
 

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We sound like a chorus here, in regards to the nav HU. :)

I for one would never consider a built-in, fixed nav unit in my (or future) car.

With a quick turnover of electronics, the hardware/software nowadays...I don't want to be stuck with an an easily obsolete feature, as in a fixed GPS system (as seen in our GJ Mk1 Mazda6 archaic and terrible NB1 HU) and still be paying it with the car, years down in ownership.

Since I rarely use my portable Garmin (lifetime map updates) anyways, and had it even before the M6..it would be utterly pointless, opting for a fixed one.

The NB1, taken for what its worth..is enough for me, as a big screen radio and back-up camera display.
 

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For 2015, you can order the sunroof and bose as a package for the Touring automatic. It's pretty reasonably priced for both of those options. Wish they offered the sunroof/bose option in the 6-speed Touring editions too.
 

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For 2015, you can order the sunroof and bose as a package for the Touring automatic. It's pretty reasonably priced for both of those options. Wish they offered the sunroof/bose option in the 6-speed Touring editions too.
Wow TitaniumVT, If the wind noise was taken care of by 2015, I would wait and buy a Touring with Moonroof. I just didn't want to pay for a Grand Touring package that for the most part didn't want or need. Then the Mazda6 would be the most compelling purchase in the midsize category.

I said earlier that I wouldn't consider a Camry, but would look at a used ES350. Totally different car if you've driven them. I actually like the 2010-2012 ES350, but was thinking about a used 2013 Lexus ES350, which is based on the Avalon. It has 4 more inches of legroom in the back.

But we wouldn't even be having this discussion if Mazda had their act together on wind noise, nav system, and packaging. A moonroof should be an option on all trims. The Mazda6 is my perfect car. Nimble, the right size, great gas mileage, reliable, durable, and comfortable...all for around $27,000 ( in the Touring trim). I'm sure that most feel that way.
 

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2015 Model Date?

For 2015, you can order the sunroof and bose as a package for the Touring automatic. It's pretty reasonably priced for both of those options. Wish they offered the sunroof/bose option in the 6-speed Touring editions too.
TitaniumVT...Any idea when the 2015 models will be out? Thanks!
 

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Wow TitaniumVT, If the wind noise was taken care of by 2015, I would wait and buy a Touring with Moonroof...

But we wouldn't even be having this discussion if Mazda had their act together on wind noise, nav system, and packaging. A moonroof should be an option on all trims. The Mazda6 is my perfect car. Nimble, the right size, great gas mileage, reliable, durable, and comfortable...all for around $27,000 ( in the Touring trim). I'm sure that most feel that way.
You don't have to wait long - the 2015 models were announced on Jan 3, and should be hitting dealer lots by March.

Regarding "But we would even be having this discussion...", jeez, give the company a break. This is a completely new design that's in its first year of production. Minor issues during the first year are normal and every manufacturer experiences them. The kinks get worked out as the issues become apparent in the marketplace. The magnitude of the issues discovered so far on the 6 are extremely minor compared to a lot of new car launches. Mazda did a phenomenal job on this car.
 

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I can wait until June for the 2015 Mazda6 to arrive. Hopefully they will have solved the wind noise issue. The Touring with Moonroof will be perfect for me. I just wish that Mazda would include the moonroof as a separate option.

The Bose system doesn't interest me...ditto for XM/Sirius, which is useless and annoying. I have every podcast on my phone, plus Tune-In Radio, where I get every radio station that I care about. I had XM/Sirius in my 2006 Cadillac and their never-ending show promos drove me crazy. I'd rather listen to commercials, except for Cars for Kids and the endless supply of bankruptcy, IRS and big pharma ads.

But since it's packaged, I will have to resign myself to the fact that I'm going to pay about $1300 for a moonroof. Hey, for around $25,000-$26,000 it's a heck of a lot better than paying $30,000 for a car with a basket full of useless options.

BTW, I love this forum. So coherent with incredible knowledge.
 

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I don't expect the wind noise will be much different, nor will the nav probably have the updated we all would love to see. Never know though, time will tell.
 

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I consider myself somewhat finicky when it comes to noise levels in cars. After 8000 miles including to 4 separate 600 mile road trips I haven't noticed anything particularly bothersome about the noise levels in the 6. It's far from being super quiet, but it seems certainly no worse than average to my ear.

I'm sorry you find Satellite radio so offensive. Even though 99% of the stations are of no interest to me, I find it worthwhile just get my MLB fix and daily jazz infusion. Couldn't get Satellite on my Touring so now I strictly listen to ipod and mp3. Hate commercial radio.

Anyway, if you find the wind noise offensive then certainly don't buy the vehicle. To my ear (and eyes as well) this cars positives so outweigh it's negatives it's no contest.
 

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I consider myself somewhat finicky when it comes to noise levels in cars. After 8000 miles including to 4 separate 600 mile road trips I haven't noticed anything particularly bothersome about the noise levels in the 6. It's far from being super quiet, but it seems certainly no worse than average to my ear.

I'm sorry you find Satellite radio so offensive. Even though 99% of the stations are of no interest to me, I find it worthwhile just get my MLB fix and daily jazz infusion. Couldn't get Satellite on my Touring so now I strictly listen to ipod and mp3. Hate commercial radio.

Anyway, if you find the wind noise offensive then certainly don't buy the vehicle. To my ear (and eyes as well) this cars positives so outweigh it's negatives it's no contest.
Jazzlvrs6...I will absolutely revisit the Mazda6 when the 2015's come out in the Spring. At this point I'm not going to buy a 2014 with a documented major flaw. I also refuse to pay an extra $4000 for a package that I don't want because it includes a sunroof...my only want.

I was an early adopter of XM. I also loved it for the MLB games, being a Red Sox fan. But the promos on the other stations are grating. Plus, ESPN Radio is awful, and so is there other sports programming. As for music, my iPod takes care of all the music I will ever desire. Add Pocket Casts to that, and I get every NPR, tech, CNET, TWIT...really, everything I want. Plus I can listen to WEEI and SportsHub in Boston on Tune-In.
 
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