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What do you think of taking the Mazda V6 and changing it to a RWD vehicle...

Do you think it's possible?

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was thinking... if you gonna go through all that trouble why not change the trans also and make it a 6speed... hmmm.. I might have to include this in my future project... It won't start till the warranty stops though... and I have the extended one.. So hopefully I can gather all the info I need to do what I want...

Maybe a TT V6 Mazda 6 AWD... It would be intresting... lol... Once it's out of warranty my wife said I can turn it into my project car. I was really excited about that especially since the tuner is out... 2 more years there should be a lot more stuff out I hope...

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3.0 V6 RWD with a 6 speed manual trans would be nice?

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Better engine? We have a great engine. The Nobles used the same block in one of there high performance cars... I think our engines are awesome and have been tuned in other application with high whp...

The thing with our car is the ECU and that is one of the reasons people get a lot of CEL when tunning.. But now you can get the tuner...
Also those darn precat and pvc valves.. Mazda error not the engine...

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honestly, I want to have a project car with my son. I have a mazda and when he is about 3 or 4 I wanted to take it apart and do stuff with it... I really don't care what the heck we do with it. It's a project car. A car to be a one and only that my son and I worked on. Not a street car. I think we have a great engine with great abilities. A few people are using it as a daily driver with 8psi. Either using a supercharger or turbo... What I'm doing is just trying to get idea's...

One of the things I ran into was our wheelbase. All the RWD or AWD that use our BLOCK engine wheelbase is 107.4" across 3 other ford platforms...

While our car wheelbase is 105.3"

the other thing was to maybe find another vehicle frame work that uses the 107.4 wheelbase then i might just have to extend the front which will give more room for working with when modding the car but I can get it to be RWD a lot easier...

The thing I don't know is if I can use one of there transmissions and then get a 2.2" shorter drive shaft...

Well there is a lot other things to think about.. but right now i'm trying to see if there is one working for our engine with the same wheel base. Then need to find out if it will work in our cars.. If I can do that I just saved myself a lot of money.. or if our car would be able to got with minor modifications in a car with a 107.4" wheel base car that has a stronger frame that uses our engine....

Again, these are all theory... Nothing totally figure out.
I just wish more people like, dude that would be awesome. you should go here for more information...

Why do it? Because I can.

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I'm researching this and I research what everyone tell's me. I'm 100 percent able to do this on my own and I always welcome everyone's idea and help. I'm fullly open to any suggestions and anythoughts that might be helpful if i do go ahead with the plans. The day i lose my intersted i will post it in this forum.

If I was to do this project I would do it in steps

1. Mod exsisting engine and learn how to tune engine properly with a single turbo setup. Learn everything about the engine because I'm going to be turning it 90degrees

2. Gut out the entire car completely ( I want to learn every inch about the car.

3. Do the RWD system and make the chassy stiffer.

5. Install the engine and test it before I finish putting it all back together.

4. Work the inside of the car and install roll bars and upgrade the inside the way I want (only gonna be a 2 seater now so might make it a coupe)
Yes, I can cut, weld, and bend...

5. Body kit, full effects, and paint job.

My son and I will have a lot of fun on this. This is for me to spend time with my boy while he grows up. So once I start I will be in no hurry. I tell you one thing. When it's all said and done. My son and I would have a great car that we know everything about and have spent great time with eachother. Then it's on to have fun....

Hopefully I can have a 3.0L Twincharging Mazda 6 V6 RWD Coupe with a 6 speed transmission and 800+hp...

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Yea the jag did you a ATX but i'm thinking more a long the lines that we can see how they did there eninge mounts and how the engine was placed in the car. Might help in the design of the way the engine will be.

Not only that since the car is a RWD might also be something to look at.
http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/ford/jaguar/jaguar-s-type-02/jaguar214.htm
New Car Review: 2004 Jaguar S-Type 3.0

I still run into the samething. The issues seems like it's gonig to be at connecting everything to the transmission that will be used.

I'm just tying to look at how many ways I can go with this. I'm loving the idea more and more..


Wondering if we can get the dimensions of the transmission for the mazdaspeed to see what else is there that might fit. that way we dont have the AWD tranny in there. Fully RWD.

So... I'm looking at this right now
jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.

Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny.

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No problem... The tranny I use will be a big debate for a while... One... i don't fully know how much space is there for I can narrow down one that would be perfect for it. Right now I want to look at the size of the AWD on the speed6.

now the jag rearend is smaller then ours by 2.1" I'm not sure about the lincoln. Do you have the year that you are talking about for the lincoln? i'm looking at the wheelbase information and rear track size...

If I can find all the information i need about all the cars then it will be a little easier to narrow down what needs to be done.... Making the project a little easier...

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Any picture would be a great help.. Surfing for that stuff is hard... lol...
If anyone can help out.. I need pictures of 3 cars.

Mazda 6, MS6, and the jag s-type :)
The better the detail of each section on the bottom would be great... Then we can compare and see what we can make from it...
If someone can figure out the what size tranny will be able to fit on the 6 would be awesome. Want to look at what trannies are out there. I heard a 5 speed is more recommended for more HP... ???

Justin, If you are able to take those pictures of the Jag let me know. I'm think of everything I might want pictures of... Like how the engine is mounted compaired to ours. Things like that.

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Looks like some of my good friends(welder) in el paso want to get in on the build... So it will be my friends and there kids and my son and I. I have a friend who father is a master tech for acura/honda, gonna see if he wants to get in on the build... The more people brainstorming the less issues I hope. I will also be posting everything here as much as I can. For now we have to continue our brainstorming because now this is going to happen.. When? When I get out of Iraq and buy me a daily driver since right now my car is a daily driver. I want a truck...

I don't think it will ever stop being a mazda 6, that is for sure. The engine and the body of the car will always be a mazda...

Some food for thought and any help on this, as always will be greatly appreciated...

Yea the jag did use a ATX but i'm thinking more a long the lines that we can see how they did there eninge mounts and how the engine was placed in the car. Might help in the design of the way the engine will be.

Not only that since the car is a RWD might also be something to look at.
http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/ford/jaguar/jaguar-s-type-02/jaguar214.htm
New Car Review: 2004 Jaguar S-Type 3.0

I still run into the samething. The issues seems like it's gonig to be at connecting everything to the transmission that will be used.

I'm just tying to look at how many ways I can go with this. I'm loving the idea more and more..


Wondering if we can get the dimensions of the transmission for the mazdaspeed to see what else is there that might fit. that way we dont have the AWD tranny in there. Fully RWD tranny.

So... I'm looking at this right now
jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.

Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny.

So... I'm looking at this right now
jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.

Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny. See attached pic...

Any details on the 2 cars and specs would be great. So far I was only able to find the attached pic for the Mazdaspeed...

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Found that Jaguar did make a manual with the 3.0 with RWD
http://www.cars.com/jaguar/s-type/20...A0&mode=search

The wheelbase is longer then ours 114.5
The Rear track is 60.7 which is about 2" shorter then ours.

So our engine has been used as a RWD... hmmm... Damn need to get the specs of the jaguar and see how the engine is mounted and how their RWD system is setup...
Will continue to dig further....

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things i'm looking into...
turning the engine 90 degrees is not going to be to hard. I have the jaguar stype and lincoln ls to see how it was setup in there car and maybe even use there engine mount.

for the tranny the jaguar using a getrag 221. i don't want to use the transmission.. Not good for putting up the hp. I'm thinking of the tremec T5 but i'm still working on that. Still need to get dimensions on what will fit there first. a getrag 233 would be awesome and last forever!!! lol.. anyways it's open to options.. :D

For the front i'm just gonna disconnect it from the tranny... and keep it that way...

For the suspension and rwd i'm thinking of using the MS6 setup.

That is where I am at now..
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I have to look into the musting I know they use the tremec tranny a lot.

Yea with the supra I would never have to worry about the tranny just everything else lol... Though I think it will cost $$$ to find a used one. Also the GTR-Skyliner uses it...

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If I can find information like this for our tranny, and the T56, T5, TR6060 would be great....
Turbosupras Technical - Getrag V160 Transmission


MTX all the way. The 221 getrag used in the jag from year 2000–2002 is a 5 speed manual RWD. Though I won't use the Tranny is horrible for more hp... I'm just gonna use the car for reference on how they held the engine and tranny. I would love to put in a getrag 233 would be awesome but then I have to change the gearbox and adaptive plate because it's a 6speed that is used in the toyota TT supra.

What tranny do we have? I want to look up specs... If I can use the one we have now in the 6 then I don't have to worry about getting adaptive plates so it can fit a diff. tranny.
 

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Ok, I'll bite..... Why did you re-post all of the same crap that already exists in a thread?


nm- see it was locked due to bickering......
 

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The jaguar came mtx wth the v6, that's good. Did u still want the pics of my bros jag?
Would love the pictures. I don't want to use the jag tranny. If you type getrag 221 in google you will see that it's not a good tranny to put more power to it. For the pics it would be awesome to see how they mounted the engine, engine mounts, engine support system, tranny mounts and RWD setup. Also can we measure how much space it takes up to make sure that the engine will fit nicely at 90 degrees in our car.

Now the other 2 full pictures I would love to get a hold of if anyone can help is the same pictures for our car and for the MS6.

Now I'm wondering what tranny we have. Looking up infromation I found out that a lot of tranny can be switched to be used as a FWD or RWD. If i can do that it would be awesome. I looked online and can't find any information about our tranny...

I'm wondering what tranny the nobles used...

Ok, I'll bite..... Why did you re-post all of the same crap that already exists in a thread?


nm- see it was locked due to bickering......
yep that is why I had to repost. lol.. I want to keep learning as much as we can about this conversion. Either way the more I look into it the easier it looks to have it done in our car. It's just a lot of research right now.
 

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LOL! I was wondering too. I haven't been on the forums in a while due to a couple of massive projects.

Contact Pole120 (Josh) on the CEG forums and pick his brain. He has been planning a RWD conversion for one of his contours for a while. Also, Terry Haines on the FCO has intimate knowledge of the Jag Duratec setup. He is also the guru of the MTX-75 transmission, the 5-speed MTX used on the Contours, Cougars, and Focus.

BTW, the 6-speed ATX in the '06 6s is an Aisin TF-81SC. It's used in a TON of other cars. I know you're looking for MTX info but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway.
 

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LOL! I was wondering too. I haven't been on the forums in a while due to a couple of massive projects.

Contact Pole120 (Josh) on the CEG forums and pick his brain. He has been planning a RWD conversion for one of his contours for a while. Also, Terry Haines on the FCO has intimate knowledge of the Jag Duratec setup. He is also the guru of the MTX-75 transmission, the 5-speed MTX used on the Contours, Cougars, and Focus.

BTW, the 6-speed ATX in the '06 6s is an Aisin TF-81SC. It's used in a TON of other cars. I know you're looking for MTX info but I figured I'd throw it out there anyway.

Found good information for the ATX tranny nice and fast.. lol
http://www.automaticchoice.com/Catalogue/aw_tf80sc.pdf
I'm not using ATX but thought to google it really quick, wish I could find this on the tranny i am looking at. Thanks BP for the contacts. I will try to get a hold of them and keep everyone posted if I get any new information... Again thanks...

FCO - Terry Haines Forum post-
http://www.fordcontour.org/topic/13466-30-duratec-fwd-to-rwd-conversion/
http://www.contour.org/ceg-vb/showthread.php?61076-3.0-Duratec-FWD-to-RWD-conversion...&p=858979
 

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The RWD conversion has been done before
Duratec 3.0 Engine Swap - T5 Transmission Adapter

T5 tranny and a Modified Bell housing. I believe you also need a custom flywheel. Someone else did that same setup on a Duratec 3.5 and they said it came out to $3,000 for the tranny, bell housing, clutch and custom flywheel.

I also emailed David Godfrey to see if he can help me learn more about his setup that he has.

T5 WC might be the winner
T5 Transmission Rebuild - G-Force T5 - Modern Driveline - FordMuscle.com
T5 PARTS transmission

TR 6060 is a great choice and is made to hold down HUGE power...
Tremec TR-6060 transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TR-3550 TKO TREMEC 5 speed
t5 to tko600 swap - Corral.net : Ford Mustang Forums
TKO600 could also be an option... Looking into it all... Let me know what you think...
 

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For using the same engine in other vehicle. I think if you can salavage the gearbox, drive train and matching parts it might be possible. The lenght difference of few mm can be sorted by reworking the drive train at machine shop. But more important question remains about reworking the front to disable the drive train while keeping steering functions :D
 

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For using the same engine in other vehicle. I think if you can salavage the gearbox, drive train and matching parts it might be possible. The lenght difference of few mm can be sorted by reworking the drive train at machine shop. But more important question remains about reworking the front to disable the drive train while keeping steering functions :D
We are not going to use another engine. Same 3.0 Duratec V6 engine. I don't think the front will be that hard. Just disconnect it from the drivetrain and leave everything else there. That is how they do AWD to RWD. I'm just trying to figure out the tranny thing then I think we have most issues solved and can look into the other areas.

Justin (TGNY) is gonna get some pictures to see how the jag mounted our engine in there setup... Since they use RWD but I don't want there Tranny it's not good...
 

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Great update...

I spoke with David Godfrey. He also has a lot of information out there on cutom pistons and rods.
Duratec 3.0 Engine Swap - T5 Transmission Adapter

This is what it sounds like and I'm loving it.

He makes the Transmission adapter and it will work with the T5 and the TKO 600 bell housing. He said he can make it for me.

Cobra R Bellhousing with the TKO 600 transmission. I would have to get a custom flywheel. Which is about $2200. He has other contacts and when I'm intrested he is going to see if that price can go down. He has been running 6psi for 2.5 yrs with no issues and loves the engine. He also has the specs on the clutch that will take 500lbs or more. pair that up with the TKO 600 and man you got a great setup. He is going to email me more details and pictures tomorrow. If I find any information I will let you know. If anyone else intrested in the RWD setup PM me please... David is very very knowledgeable about the Duratec 3.0

Astroperformance.com - Your Manual Drivetrain Specialist
$2200 for a new tranny...
$2200 for a custom clutch
$376 for a new Cobra R Bellhousing
Clutch is a custom clutch from Center Force
$150 Transmission adapter

Right now all the prices are new but I will shop around for used or parts and the yard to see what I can get them for.

So it looks like the Tranny setup will be about $5000 - $6000 all brand new... Might be able to bring it down to $3500-$4500 with used parts, for the flywheel you can't do much about that. Hopefully with the other contact the price will go down and people intrested in it. I will be selling my old tranny and clutch setup so I should recover a little for that. Stage 2 clutch, light flywheel, and transmission with low miles on the them because I am in IRAQ.. lol... also the tranny has about 50K on it.
 

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Great update...

I spoke with David Godfrey. He also has a lot of information out there on cutom pistons and rods.
Duratec 3.0 Engine Swap - T5 Transmission Adapter

This is what it sounds like and I'm loving it.

He makes the Transmission adapter and it will work with the T5 and the TKO 600 bell housing. He said he can make it for me.

Cobra R Bellhousing with the TKO 600 transmission. I would have to get a custom flywheel. Which is about $2200. He has other contacts and when I'm intrested he is going to see if that price can go down. He has been running 6psi for 2.5 yrs with no issues and loves the engine. He also has the specs on the clutch that will take 500lbs or more. pair that up with the TKO 600 and man you got a great setup. He is going to email me more details and pictures tomorrow. If I find any information I will let you know. If anyone else intrested in the RWD setup PM me please... David is very very knowledgeable about the Duratec 3.0
Don't worry about PMs...just post it up here! Super eager to here what the guy has to say.
 

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Don't worry about PMs...just post it up here! Super eager to here what the guy has to say.
I am also eager. The PM is for people who want to do the same setup. He said that the price of the custom flywheel can go down big time....

I also updated my last post... while you were posting. lol...
 

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Bellhousing...

I attached the pitures of the adapter plate with Bell housing that will work with the T-5. The adapter plate will also work with the TKO but you need the Cobra R type bell housing.

David Godfrey "The bell housing in the picture is 86-93 5.0 Mustang. The bell housing was changed in 94 because ford went to a Tremec T45 trans. To run a TKO600 5 speed with a .8 5th gear you will need a Cobra R bell housing from Summit racing or such. Last time I bought one the cost was $189. This bell housing has the correct bolt pattern for the Tremec 600. If you want to use a Tremec with a T5 1.062 x 10 spline clutch you can use a standard T5 bell housing modified as shown in the picture. The drop in Tremec 600 has a nasty .62 5th gear so it’s no good."
 

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Clutch

David Godfreey said "It uses a Ford 2.3 turbo clutch. I have a new spare alloy pressure plate and disc assembly I can sell."

"The clutch disc you see was part of the clutch CF built for me and Rick Byrnes. The assembly is rated for 500 ft lbs torque which is way more than most motors will put out. Everything about the clutch is custom. KC at Center Force has been supplying Rick with clutches for his LSR cars but never was comfortable with a forged steel pressure plate as what’s used on an OEM clutch cover. The billet aluminum pressure plate is much better for high RPM. I made the aluminum pressure plate, cent it to KC who finish machined the spring pivots to provide the proper setup clamp load. It also has stronger anti-rotation strap anchors. There is a steel heat shield riveted to the pressure plate that can be resurfaced or replaced. The clutch assy is noticeably lighter than anyone’s 2.3T pressure plate. The disc has a sprung hub to lessen shock to the trans. The clutch is the real deal and the best available for this fitment. I have a lot of historical detail about this clutch but you get the drift."
 

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Flywheel

David Godfrey said "Scope this out and see if there is interest on getting flywheels made and I’ll get pricing for a couple different sources. The flywheel pictured is made from 4130 steel and weighs in at 12 lbs."
 

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dDavid Godfrey "The T5 in my car was custom built for Rick back when he worked for Ford and his land speed racing effort were sponsored by Borg Warner. Back then BW custom built a R5 for Rick that included a .9 5th gear. It’s a neat transmission and I love the 4th to 5th gear change. I could sell you the transmission but I want to go through it first as it’s getting a bit noisy, hence the move to the TKO 600. Need to sell it before it breaks. I could include a new DGRB spec Center Force lightweight clutch assy, MGW billet shifter, bell housing, and the T5 freshened up as a package deal for $2300."

What do you guys think about this? Sounds good?

i also emailed the http://www.driveshaftshop.com/ they have an upgraded drive shaft for the Mazdaspeed 6 and asked them if they can do a custom setup and about what is the ball park figure of the cost.
 

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ok.. i got replies back from driveshaftshop

Frank said:
"im sure we can make something, im not sure of the flange size on the back of the the Mazda as we only make rear axles for the car. i would figure it to be a 2 piece shaft and to be able to handle 1000hp an estimate would be about 1100.00 to make a 2 piece. this being said i would say almost for sure the rear diff would not be able to handle the power and you may want to think about a different rear for the car as well....."

Then I asked him what he would recommend for the the rear diff and he said
" if you get something in there i can make the axles and shaft work, we dont fabricate so i can only suggest maybe a ford 8.8 diff and we could go from there"

So of course I looked up ford 8.8 diff and i found this... AWESOME...
Nathan's LS1 Miata

Best to use for the future power upgrade is the 31-spline 8.8"
Ford 8.8 Ring Gear & Pinion Sets; Differential Parts & Application Information - Drivetrain.com
 
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