[PROGMS6]

I've been searching the forum for threads about the ECU Re-flash about that power loss at high RPM's.... cant find any thing.
Does any one know what should a I say or ask the dealer, or how can I find out if my car has or has'nt been updated yet? (I can feel the power loss)
Any thing else I should get taken care???

 

[yomama69]

I've been searching the forum for threads about the ECU Re-flash about that power loss at high RPM's.... cant find any thing.
Does any one know what should a I say or ask the dealer, or how can I find out if my car has or has'nt been updated yet? (I can feel the power loss)
Any thing else I should get taken care???
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The TSB requires the service dept. to put a sticker on the inside of the door frame on the underside of the hood. The sticker will have the recall humber on it. Also, there is tons of threads on the issue. If you don't have a sticker, take the car in and tell them that you have a recall that needs to be performed.

 

[PROGMS6]

The TSB requires the service dept. to put a sticker on the inside of the door frame on the underside of the hood. The sticker will have the recall humber on it. Also, there is tons of threads on the issue. If you don't have a sticker, take the car in and tell them that you have a recall that needs to be performed.
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Ok so where is this sticker located?? either under the hood or on the door frame?
If so I have no stickers under the hoodshell neither door jamb.

I guess i'll be paying a visit to the dealer.

 

[yomama69]

Ok so where is this sticker located?? either under the hood or on the door frame?
If so I have no stickers under the hoodshell neither door jamb.

I guess i'll be paying a visit to the dealer.
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Chris,

Take the car to Lou Bachrodt. They are absolutely amazing. Don't go to Marlin for anything.

 

[Scott4083]

Powerloss sucks, no doubt. . .but you need to weigh the disadvantage of powerloss against the very likely possibility that your car's performance will be severely degraded by the reflash.

There are tons of posts about the negative results of the reflash and some people are even putting together a class action lawsuit against Mazda. Search for "reflash", you'll find PLENTY of angry posts.

 

[jayhawk261]

I've read about the reflash and it seems that everyone thinks their car is slower afterwards. If this is the case, why get the reflash? What is it supposed to do? What specifically is the recall for?

We picked up our Speed 6 GT last Friday, and it is already in the shop with the check engine light. The purge valve (I think?) was bad, so they overnighted the part and put it on. Hopefully that will take care of it.

 

[yomama69]

Powerloss sucks, no doubt. . .but you need to weigh the disadvantage of powerloss against the very likely possibility that your car's performance will be severely degraded by the reflash.

There are tons of posts about the negative results of the reflash and some people are even putting together a class action lawsuit against Mazda. Search for "reflash", you'll find PLENTY of angry posts.
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There are very few with downgraded performance considering the number of reflashes. With that being said, the reflash was probably not correctly performed on those cars and they should attempt another reflash. I believe that someone here did say they got the reflash reflashed and it was good.

 

[bfischer]

I've read about the reflash and it seems that everyone thinks their car is slower afterwards. If this is the case, why get the reflash? What is it supposed to do? What specifically is the recall for?

We picked up our Speed 6 GT last Friday, and it is already in the shop with the check engine light. The purge valve (I think?) was bad, so they overnighted the part and put it on. Hopefully that will take care of it.
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Because if you get the powerloss issue more than occasionally it is even worse...

Plus you are required to get it for emissions in many states and for warranty.

Apparently based on someone's dealer with Mazda rep in CA, they acknowledge the feeling of reduced power in the reflash and are working on a newer flash to address that - may take a while though.

 

[yomama69]

I've read about the reflash and it seems that everyone thinks their car is slower afterwards. If this is the case, why get the reflash? What is it supposed to do? What specifically is the recall for?

We picked up our Speed 6 GT last Friday, and it is already in the shop with the check engine light. The purge valve (I think?) was bad, so they overnighted the part and put it on. Hopefully that will take care of it.
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The ECU without the flash creates turbo knock and makes your engine basically turboless once the knock kicks in and you have to pull the car over and shut it off and turn it back on to reset the ECU. A word of advice....change the POS plastic BPV that you already had a negative experience with.

 

[Indy MPS6]

There have been 2 reflashes to address the 'power-loss' issue. I have had both. My car does feel slower. Unless you are experiencing a power loss, I would NOT recommend doing it. Any power loss at 6k rpms is normal. That is past the meat of the hp/tq curve on this car.

 

[FreeRider]

... about that power loss at high RPM's....

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The reflash for powerloss is supposed to correct an overly sensitive knock sensor setting that puts the car into a cripple mode. It happens without warning and the pattern is inconsistent, but when it does, you will know because it stays that way until the car is turned off and restarted. When the problem occurs the ECU will only allow a maximum of 1/3 throttle, so it feels like you've just lost your turbo. This applies across the entire powerband, not just at high rpm. Read through the ECU reflash threads. The symptons have been described in great detail.

If you're experiencing some kind of "power loss" only at "high RPM's", and otherwise the car feels fine, you're not experiencing the power loss issue that needs the ECU reflash. You're experiencing one of the characteristics of the MS6 engine, which is falling flat on it's face at about 5500 rpm. The power drop is so severe it almost feels like a fuel cut off.

If that's what you're experiencing, you don't need the ECU reflash. From my experience, what seems to really correct that power drop is a new exhaust system. I put on a CAI 3 months ago and then a custom 3" exh last week. Since the exhaust change the engine pulls smoothly past 6000rpm. That's my experience; others may say differently.

 

[J Dragon]

There have been people on here who had the recall performed, but they were still making the same times on the track. You car is not slower after the flash you just lose the down low umph that it once had.
I agree that mazda should have done something else to rectify the issue, but ignoring the powerloss is only going to hurt you rather than help you.

Bite the bullet and get the reflash done, better to be safe than sorry...also they will probably use the fact you you denied the reflash as an excuse not to fix you vehicle under warranty. Don't be stupid...

 

[jayhawk261]

For all I know, it may have been done already. Our dealer got our car on dealer trade from another dealer. I looked at the build sticker and it was built in December of 05, so it sat on a dealer lot for almost a year. I suppose it is possible that it has already been done. I'll check for a sticker when I get it back from the dealer today.

 

[bfischer]

There have been people on here who had the recall performed, but they were still making the same times on the track. You car is not slower after the flash you just lose the down low umph that it once had.
I agree that mazda should have done something else to rectify the issue, but ignoring the powerloss is only going to hurt you rather than help you.

Bite the bullet and get the reflash done, better to be safe than sorry...also they will probably use the fact you you denied the reflash as an excuse not to fix you vehicle under warranty. Don't be stupid...
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1/4 mile times != real life everyday driving

 

[PROGMS6]

There have been people on here who had the recall performed, but they were still making the same times on the track. You car is not slower after the flash you just lose the down low umph that it once had.
I agree that mazda should have done something else to rectify the issue, but ignoring the powerloss is only going to hurt you rather than help you.

Bite the bullet and get the reflash done, better to be safe than sorry...also they will probably use the fact you you denied the reflash as an excuse not to fix you vehicle under warranty. Don't be stupid...
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I'll check into it...... Thx for the info.

 

[Indy MPS6]

What? Failure to get a reflash does not permit a dealer to void a warranty.

 

[muhtarbey]

The TSB requires the service dept. to put a sticker on the inside of the door frame on the underside of the hood. The sticker will have the recall humber on it. Also, there is tons of threads on the issue. If you don't have a sticker, take the car in and tell them that you have a recall that needs to be performed.
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Topic went off on a tangent and still nobody re-confirmed the exact location of the sticker. Door or hood? Location? Picture?

 

[dsulli37]

They didn't give me one.

 

[yomama69]

Topic went off on a tangent and still nobody re-confirmed the exact location of the sticker. Door or hood? Location? Picture?
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You answered your own question when you quoted my previous post.

They didn't give me one.
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Sesi? Screw-ups. They were supposed to.

 

[dsulli37]

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