Car #1 had the up-beam reflector a.k.a. "squirrel finder" in place.So I gather car #1 which has the stock projector also had its metal glare piece in ... or was it taken out ?
Yes, a kit installed into a halogen projector will only create an exagerrated light output pattern that's pretty much the same as the stock halogen pattern. Complete with hotspots, glare and fuzzy cutoff line with no colour.So I guess with an H1 HID kit you get the same stock light output pattern ? Is this what you observed ?
The xenon bulbs that you get in a kit are rebased bulbs. This means that the base of the bulb was altered to make it fit a halogen application. The bulb itself isn't too different from a "real" xenon bulb. The quality of the kit bulb, however, is questionable. So, lets just say, for simplicity sake, that kit bulbs are xenon bulbs since, as you mentioned above, they create a longitudinal arc of light just as "real" xenon bulbs do.I've read that the ECE projectors are needed when you have Xenon-charged bulbs cause they light up at the tip of the bulb , unlike the halogens that light up the whole part of the bulb (if I remember correctly) .
Does this still apply with the H1 Xenon-charged kit ?
Now, you need to keep in mind that a xenon headlight system has many components that are designed to work together. The bulb is only half of the team, so to speak. The other half of the team is the projector.
It makes little to no sense to put a xenon bulb inside a halogen projector. Halogen projectors are made for halogen bulbs, and no attention is paid to the special needs that the xenon bulb has. The shape of the bowl is incorrect, the type of lense that sits in front of the bowl is incorrect, and the cutoff shield is also not correct.
What you need, when using a xenon bulb, is a proper HID projector. ECE projectors are only one type of HID projector. HID projectors also come in a DOT variant and are also ideal.
You also should keep in mind a few other things. Kit bulbs, although they work on the same principles as "real" xenon bulbs, are not of the same quality. They often have less that 50% of the life of an OEM xenon bulb, and they also quite often have focal point issues. This means that, whereas an OEM xenon bulb creates a perfect arc of light, according to the accepted specs, an aftermarket kit xenon bulb will create an approximate arc.
Also note that kit bulbs are never made by reputable companies. Philips, Osram, Hella, etc, do not involve themselves in the manufacture of kit bulbs, or complete kits for that matter. Kit bulbs are made by small outfits that lack the technology or standards to create a bulb that can operate to spec.
Ok, a few things going on here. Glare isn't necessarily going to be a huge issue with halogen projectors with xenon bulbs. Some projectors are worse than others, but projectors are always way better than reflectors. I loathe those morons (ricers usually) who stick HID kits into a reflector... usually Civic people.The following is what one member posted :
I have 5000K Xtec, they have been installed for over a year now. No issues, rarely get a high beam flash from oncoming traffic (maybe twice in over a year) and they are a huge improvement over stock. Look very white to slightly blue, depending on angle you look at the headlights. White from head on, blueish at side angles. I have had many compliments on the lights and when anyone gets in the car at night it is the first think they notice. Also good to note that as HIDS age they will get higher in the K scale over time.
And what he answered to my questions in PM :
The kit I have uses the existing stock projectors. The install was easy, only had to drill a small hole in the dust caps at the back of the headlight assembly to pass the wires through. Then mount the ballasts.
I believe flashing the high beams leaves the low beams on, so you should not have any issues with ballast life when flashing high beams. I know I have not.
I did not remove the or change anything on the stock headlamp. I have no issues with glare. It could be the fact that I have eyelids, but they do not get in the way of the beam as I can see the cut offs clearly. The light output is very improved over stock. It is a night and day difference for me. I have yet to come by another car that illuminates the road as bright as mine does not. That includes all sorts of Lexus, Nissan, BMW, Benz, Audi, Infiniti, MazdaSpeed, etc cars that have factory HIDs. As far as signs go, that was one of the first things I noticed. Signs now illuminate a lot more due to the white, blue light output. Especially any signs with reflective properties.
I'd like your opinion on that as well . Much appreciated as usual zoomzoomfan
But, I'm by no means saying that glare won't exist in a halogen projector with kit setup. It will still be there, but less of it. Also, you'd be amazed how tolerant oncoming drivers are to glare these days. The only way you'll notice glare in your halogen projector with kit, is when you park next to a car with an OEM setup and pay attention to the differences. Its guaranteed that you won't see glare in the OEM setup.
Secondly, the person who you're referencing is only guessing that flashing the highbeams won't be an issue. I can tell you that it will be an issue. Park infront of a window with your low-beams off, and then flash your highbeams and let me know what you see. When flashing, keep the flashes a bit prolonged. You should notice that your lowbeams come on during the flash. You don't want this happening when there's a ballast installed on your lowbeams. Sure, it won't kill the ballast right away... and it won't harm your ballast to accidentally flash on occasion, but repeated behaviour will definitely cause problems.
Lastly, about the kit making more light than OEM... hehe, this is unfortunately a common fallacy for kit-users. What happens when a kit is installed in your halogen projectors is that the projector simply dumps all that light onto one spot on the road. This spot, combined with the spot from the other projector will give you the illusion that the road is being lit up more.
An HID projector, OTOH, is designed to evenly spread the light out from left to right. In essence, the intense light from the xenon bulbs is being properly "managed" by the projector and hence light distribution is even.
This gives the kit user the impression that his/her lights are superior. Not true.