CP-E tuning solution.

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seoulful

Discussion Starter · Oct 31, 2006

Well after one of my many trips up to CP-E, i acutally got to spoke with the electrical engineer. This is what i was told. The Tuning solution is working. They have tested it on a single piston engine and it works great. All Cp-E needs to do is transfer what was learned from original testing to our cars. Lou told me there should be a tuning solution ready for testing about 2-3 weeks after SEMA. SEMA is this week so basically end of novemeber early december there should be a tuning solution at least being tested on a mazdaspeed6. I saw the software in action at cp-e. It was plugged up to the 1 cyl motor and OMG the level of control the capabilities this thing is amazing. The engine was able to toggle between 2 different fuel maps with the touch of a button. With live data mapping you could isolate a single RPM point and use that point as a tuning basis. Basically this gives tuners who know how to tune a motor the ability to tune a car without the necessity of a dyno. The CP-E software utilizes a HUGE fuel map where each point on the fuel curve can be modified to give you the best tune possible. I can;t wait to see this on the mazdaspeed 6. Just thought u guys would be interested to know

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camlovswm

· #2 · Oct 31, 2006

Thanks for the update on that.

mpsanger6

· #3 · Oct 31, 2006

:drool:

sbspeed

· #4 · Oct 31, 2006

But have they cracked the ECU?

Being able to tune a 1 cylinder engine on a bench is neat and all but doesn't mean anything if they can't crack the ECU.

jdeprato

· #5 · Oct 31, 2006

Their tuning solution has always been touted as a piggy back solution, so they wouldn't necessarily have to crack anything, I do know that they have been able to pinpoint timing adjustment, fuel adjustment, and boost for the speed6, I just hope its not going to be a "splice in" tuning solution...I don't want to cut/splice any of my wires...

tunerjetta29

· #6 · Oct 31, 2006

The question is will the ECU just adapt its settings to counter the piggyback maing the tuning of the piggyback useless as has been the case with so many other cars now.

fgraziano

· #7 · Oct 31, 2006

you would just have to unplug your battery for a few minutes every few months or so to reset the factory settings. THe piggyback would be fine again.

bitslizer

· #8 · Oct 31, 2006

would this work with the V6 ECU?

jdeprato

· #9 · Oct 31, 2006

According to them all of the ECU's will be different, but my guess is there should be some similiarities and this would allow them to adapt their piggy back to other vehicles...

PRacing

· #10 · Nov 1, 2006

All I had to know was it can adjust fuel and timing.

zex97

· #11 · Nov 1, 2006

Well after one of my many trips up to CP-E, i acutally got to spoke with the electrical engineer. This is what i was told. The Tuning solution is working. They have tested it on a single piston engine and it works great. All Cp-E needs to do is transfer what was learned from original testing to our cars. Lou told me there should be a tuning solution ready for testing about 2-3 weeks after SEMA. SEMA is this week so basically end of novemeber early december there should be a tuning solution at least being tested on a mazdaspeed6. I saw the software in action at cp-e. It was plugged up to the 1 cyl motor and OMG the level of control the capabilities this thing is amazing. The engine was able to toggle between 2 different fuel maps with the touch of a button. With live data mapping you could isolate a single RPM point and use that point as a tuning basis. Basically this gives tuners who know how to tune a motor the ability to tune a car without the necessity of a dyno. The CP-E software utilizes a HUGE fuel map where each point on the fuel curve can be modified to give you the best tune possible. I can;t wait to see this on the mazdaspeed 6. Just thought u guys would be interested to know
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This basically sounds like a stand alone system. Most of them out there have all these features.

jdeprato

· #12 · Nov 1, 2006

it might be able to operate as a standalone, but its not going to be implemented like a stand alone on our vehicle...

BigBens6

· #13 · Nov 2, 2006

Seems likw the Cobb AP is still a better option, simply for ease of installation.... I don't wanna splice if I don't have too...

jdeprato

· #14 · Nov 2, 2006

that's what i'm saying, if its not a plug in, i really woudln't want to do it...

PDT166

· #15 · Nov 2, 2006

This sounds a lot like the U-Tec that TurboXS offers for the Subaru WRX\STi. Also you cannot compare this to a stand alone being that this will ONLY control timing, fuel distribution and boost. The rest of it is left to the stock ECU to deal with.

As for the Stock ECU learning this is shouldn't happen, because the Piggyback only comes on at a certian point that it has been tune for. In otherwords once you hit X RPM the Piggyback takes over. Your ECU will always try to get it back to AFRs that it was programmed to hit, but will be unable to because the Piggyback system has tied the ECU's hand (so to speak).

jdeprato

· #16 · Nov 2, 2006

yeah, thats how I understood it to work as well...

Raynman

· #17 · Nov 2, 2006

Will it work for the naturally aspirated 6's as well?

ATE BALLER

· #18 · Nov 2, 2006

Damn!! Is there gonna be an attempted thread-jack in every cp-e post?!?

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fftopic:

Raynman

· #19 · Nov 2, 2006

Damn!! Is there gonna be an attempted thread-jack in every cp-e post?!?

unch: fftopic:
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Why do you consider it as a thread jack? Seoulful mentioned that it works on a naturally aspirated 1cyl direct injected engine? Also, Seoulful's report and prior postings indicated that the tuning capabilities are applicable to naturally aspirated engines as well. Aside from boost control, they're certainly not capabilities that are strictly limited to turbocharged engines. I can't comment on whether the unit's wiring or hardware might be different, but it seems to me that the the theories at work behind the tuner are workable for naturally aspirated 6's as well or for 6's that aspire (pun intended) to be turbocharged.

Besides, did it ever occur to you that a cross-compatible CP-E tuning solution can potentially mean greater volumes? And larger production volumes can potentially translate to lower prices not only for you MS6's but the for the larger Mazda 6 community as well? Perhaps not.

Again, let me know how I thread-jacked.

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Slv6sPitt

· #20 · Nov 2, 2006

Raynman's question is valid and of interest to may people I'm sure.

Don't let this turn into the Altima forum - non SE-R vs. SE-R owners.

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