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I've looked in the manual but can't seem to find a way to bypass the "legal" screen asking you accept the TOS (i.e. the risks of driving and watching the Nav system at the same time could cause you to wreck). Does anyone know if there's a way to skip that?

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have you ever seen a navi system w/o that screen? no
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What difference does it make if every nav system has a liability screen? That's not what I asked, is it? :sarc:

I was hoping that there may be a hack out there that could bypass it. Sounds like a reasonable question for the forum, no?
 

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Considering the lack of "software" or interface options... harddrive... bla bla bla... What you're asking is like asking if someone can hack your PS2 or Gamecube or something...

They are "computers" made to do 1 thing... and they have just barely enough to do it. None of the extras you'd find in a PC based setup...


Anyway to answer the question in a different way... The only "bypass" i've seen or read about so far is a way to hook up an additional input into the screen... To watch DVD's or such on... granted the resolution is terrible and not worth the time or effort...

Personally, i'm never buying stock nav again... For 500-1000 I can easily build a small.. VERY small personal computer to hide somewhere in the vehicle (trunk maybe)... and another 500-1000 for a screen... When all said and done... you'd be just about the same.. or a bit over, stock nav costs... and you'd have a full blow PC... DVD player.. MP3 player.. navigation.. bla bla bla... and you can customize the living shit outta it...
 

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Factory Nav is all for show IMO. A TomTom can easily be swapped from car to car for $500.
 

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Factory Nav is all for show IMO. A TomTom can easily be swapped from car to car for $500.
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Of coarse you guys are correct...but here's the thing...your tomtom isn't part of the car, built in stock navs do have an advantage when it comes time to resale, regardless if you like it or not. The built in nature also has a place for the controller and overall people tend to like that it is part of the car, considering the pricing I feel I got the nav for free...I would have never bought the car for sticker.

Personally the way I look at it is I have it and I'm glad its there, I don't like having the temporary look and feel of an aftermarket piece hanging around, its looks tacky to some of us.

Now to answer the question, its certainly a possibility to hack the startup screen...just depends if anyone wants to take the time to do it, its one click to clear so I don't know how many people that really bothers...its the norm. I'm just going to go the conversion route and get more use out of the built in screen.
 

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Factory Nav is all for show IMO. A TomTom can easily be swapped from car to car for $500.
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Integrated 7" screen is 100X better than the non-integrated 3" TomTom screen.
 

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Considering the lag of "software" or interface options... harddrive... bla bla bla... What you're asking is like asking if someone can hack your PS2 or Gamecube or something...

They are "computers" made to do 1 thing... and they have just barely enough to do it. None of the extras you'd find in a PC based setup...
Anyway to answer the question in a different way... The only "bypass" i've seen or read about so far is a way to hook up an additional input into the screen... To watch DVD's or such on... granted the resolution is terrible and not worth the time or effort...

Personally, i'm never buying stock nav again... For 500-1000 I can easily build a small.. VERY small personal computer to hide somewhere in the vehicle (trunk maybe)... and another 500-1000 for a screen... When all said and done... you'd be just about the same.. or a bit over, stock nav costs... and you'd have a full blow PC... DVD player.. MP3 player.. navigation.. bla bla bla... and you can customize the living shit outta it...
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you're wrong at so many different levels, it's not even funny.
our nav has no hard-drive. it has internal memory for storing data. dvd for map database.
your "customized pc" you talk of has no gyro-sensor, gps module, none of the technology that work behind the scenes to make your carputer a fully-functional navigation system.

Factory Nav is all for show IMO. A TomTom can easily be swapped from car to car for $500.
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a tom-tom is not a seamless intall inside the car. you have wires hanging out. and it can easily be stolen from a car for $0.
 

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I'm wrong on... No levels.. sorry to ruin your troll though... But thanks for stopping by...

I did have a typing error "lag" instead of "lack" so thanks for pointing that out...

My comparison about modding the stock nav being like modding a PS2 or Gamecube is just about as close as you can get.. neither systems have harddrives or external input options... however if you install special "chips" or use different types of "cd/dvd's" you can change some of the desired functions...

AND YES... a car-puter navigation setup does have just about all the same features and functions as a stock nav. Computers don't have built-in GPS tracking... however the devices you get to make them work with it... Have all that other junk built in...

For example many of the ones i've seen use a USB device which you place up on your dash.. this tracks GPS and vehicle direction /positioning.
 

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Or you can all save a lot of money if you invested in some time learning how to read one of these?



Worked for me for many years....
 

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Who needs a Nav, Google maps is your best friend.....
 

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I'm wrong on... No levels.. sorry to ruin your troll though... But thanks for stopping by...

I did have a typing error "lag" instead of "lack" so thanks for pointing that out...

My comparison about modding the stock nav being like modding a PS2 or Gamecube is just about as close as you can get.. neither systems have harddrives or external input options... however if you install special "chips" or use different types of "cd/dvd's" you can change some of the desired functions...

AND YES... a car-puter navigation setup does have just about all the same features and functions as a stock nav. Computers don't have built-in GPS tracking... however the devices you get to make them work with it... Have all that other junk built in...

For example many of the ones i've seen use a USB device which you place up on your dash.. this tracks GPS and vehicle direction /positioning.
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i have yet to see a fully-functional nav software in a carputer setup. does it have automatic re-routing? how many north american poi's will it display? etc etc
 

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Okay, I'm going off topic with this, and try to work with the original question in hand. :sarc:

Here's what I'm thinking...if you flip the screen down while driving, it does not require you to click on the lawyer screen while opening it back up (providing the car was not shut off)

I also assume that the screen does shut off when flipped down (but I would need to check that to be sure).

Going by that, there should be various voltages going into the unit (switched and unswitched)...could it be as easy as changing one of the switched voltages to a non switched voltage and having it just shut the screen down when the car is powered off? Only thing, since the nav would still be in operation...how bad would the draw be on the battery while the car was off?

BTW...I'm still looking for the hack that will allow a passenger to use the unit while the car is in operation...they should have tied the passanger air bag sensor into the unit so the passanger could enter info while the car's moving. But another topic for another day...

Carry on...
 

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Okay, I'm going off topic with this, and try to work with the original question in hand. :sarc:

Here's what I'm thinking...if you flip the screen down while driving, it does not require you to click on the lawyer screen while opening it back up (providing the car was not shut off)

I also assume that the screen does shut off when flipped down (but I would need to check that to be sure).

Going by that, there should be various voltages going into the unit (switched and unswitched)...could it be as easy as changing one of the switched voltages to a non switched voltage and having it just shut the screen down when the car is powered off? Only thing, since the nav would still be in operation...how bad would the draw be on the battery while the car was off?

BTW...I'm still looking for the hack that will allow a passenger to use the unit while the car is in operation...they should have tied the passanger air bag sensor into the unit so the passanger could enter info while the car's moving. But another topic for another day...

Carry on...
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Yeah, I thought about that, too. However I think it simply has an on/off bit that's set in the CPU for whether you've clicked the "accept" prompt previously. I think this as if you have the screen down when you start the car then click open while driving the legal screen does come on. Good line of thought though, there may be something that could be done along these lines. Do let us know if you find the hack for allowing the passenger input directions while you're driving, would really of been nice the other night when I had my wife in the car, put her butt to work :)


As for those of you hating on Nav systems, could it just be a case of envy? :yesnod:

Not a person who's seen it thought it was frivilous; rather all seemed to think it's cool! Like I did when I saw the one in my buddy's G35 which got me to order one for my car. And BTW, it does come in handy about once a week when trying to find a client's office. Plus it's safer as I'm not distracted in traffic trying to read a map, I just listen to the voice guidance :D
 

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Ive looked into this as well, as I wanted 3 things. 1 an external input pnp, 2 input address while driving, and 3 bypass that screen.


I have seen on the toyota's that there is a company in florida that makes a pnp module which im guess just simulates the "click" so you dont have to.

ANYONE WITH A AVELECTRONICS BOX PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME WHICH CABLE ON THE NAVIGATION IS SYNC!!!
 

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Okay, I'm going off topic with this, and try to work with the original question in hand. :sarc:

Here's what I'm thinking...if you flip the screen down while driving, it does not require you to click on the lawyer screen while opening it back up (providing the car was not shut off)

I also assume that the screen does shut off when flipped down (but I would need to check that to be sure).

Going by that, there should be various voltages going into the unit (switched and unswitched)...could it be as easy as changing one of the switched voltages to a non switched voltage and having it just shut the screen down when the car is powered off? Only thing, since the nav would still be in operation...how bad would the draw be on the battery while the car was off?

BTW...I'm still looking for the hack that will allow a passenger to use the unit while the car is in operation...they should have tied the passanger air bag sensor into the unit so the passanger could enter info while the car's moving. But another topic for another day...

Carry on...
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there's a speed pluse from the vehicle going to the nav. that's what tells the nav the car's moving. (not by GPS as you may have thought) get a switch that over-rides that harness. if you're really desparate goto a 10volt shop. (like mickey shore) a specialist there should be able to do this for you.


Yeah, I thought about that, too. However I think it simply has an on/off bit that's set in the CPU for whether you've clicked the "accept" prompt previously. I think this as if you have the screen down when you start the car then click open while driving the legal screen does come on. Good line of thought though, there may be something that could be done along these lines. Do let us know if you find the hack for allowing the passenger input directions while you're driving, would really of been nice the other night when I had my wife in the car, put her butt to work :)
As for those of you hating on Nav systems, could it just be a case of envy? :yesnod:

Not a person who's seen it thought it was frivilous; rather all seemed to think it's cool! Like I did when I saw the one in my buddy's G35 which got me to order one for my car. And BTW, it does come in handy about once a week when trying to find a client's office. Plus it's safer as I'm not distracted in traffic trying to read a map, I just listen to the voice guidance :D
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too bad speed6 nav doesn't have voice rec, like so many other OEM navs that are out right now (like inifiniti, acura, cadillac, etc)
 

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our nav is capable of voice/touch/backup.... we just need the pinouts. To the best of my ability I believe its the same as the cx-7 which has touch screen, backup cam, and voice rec. A pic of the harness on the cx-7 would help solve this... anyone?
 

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our nav is capable of voice/touch/backup.... we just need the pinouts. To the best of my ability I believe its the same as the cx-7 which has touch screen, backup cam, and voice rec. A pic of the harness on the cx-7 would help solve this... anyone?
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LOL

our nav is capable of touch? i don't think so!! check the specs on screen. on a touch-screen there's an extra film underneath for sensory actuators. HMI design is also very different. joystick nav and touch nav human factors are completely different.

our nav is also incapable of voice rec. you can't just hook up a mic to a system and expect it to recognize and act upon voice commands.

cx-7 nav also integrates audio. speed6 nav is hideaway and a remote screen with no interaction to the IP.

go check out the cx-7 nav. it's made by a different supplier. h/w and s/w are all different.
let's get our facts straight.
 

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Thanks for clearing it up for me, I wasnt absolutely sure myself. im not sure where i mentioned any facts...

"To the best of my ability I believe its the same as the cx-7 which has touch screen, backup cam, and voice rec. A pic of the harness on the cx-7 would help solve this"

I was under the impression that the cx-7 and all other mazda's used the same unit as a cost saving measure... I was only able to see the interface of the cx-7 which if I recall was very similiar to ours.

(fact)just as my 04' 3 had the same unit (panasonic) as the rx-8. different software and firmware but the rx8's could infact update their firmware and software to newer maps. (fact)

(fact)We do infact have have some sort of auditory function software built-in. (fact) whether it functions or not or if we have recognition software, and hardware i dont know..
 

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Thanks for clearing it up for me, I wasnt absolutely sure myself. im not sure where i mentioned any facts...

"To the best of my ability I believe its the same as the cx-7 which has touch screen, backup cam, and voice rec. A pic of the harness on the cx-7 would help solve this"

I was under the impression that the cx-7 and all other mazda's used the same unit as a cost saving measure... I was only able to see the interface of the cx-7 which if I recall was very similiar to ours.

(fact)just as my 04' 3 had the same unit (panasonic) as the rx-8. different software and firmware but the rx8's could infact update their firmware and software to newer maps. (fact)

(fact)We do infact have have some sort of auditory function software built-in. (fact) whether it functions or not or if we have recognition software, and hardware i dont know..
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oem's share suppliers for different level radios and other components. they're able to cut costs better that way. just imagine if they'd manufactured 06 speed6/3 navs with touchscreen, voice rec, and other features that are completely un-used. they'd be wasting money big-time.

sometimes certain features are included in some software, but when activated license fees are needed. just changes dynamics.

sorry about getting so technical and somewhat worked up i work for a nav supplier.. haha :nana:
 
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