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Brake Dust
It just pisses me off that I have to clean my front wheels every few days because of heavy brake dust darkening my wheels. :irate: Is there any brand (tested) that has very minimal residue and better performance? Appreciate your input.
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Hawk.
therpmstore.com
therpmstore.com
right here :wavey:
where's dabears2k when you need him?
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:search: ......you're welcome
now i'm disappointed
thanks for the search you korean you
thanks for the search you korean you
I have actually been spraying mine with Maguire's quick detail each time I wash it. It is taking longer for the dust to build up. In addition, when I go to wash the car, most of the dust just rinses off. I did not notice any "set in" dust. This was after about 1100 miles of driving.
Thanks,
Jason
Thanks,
Jason
i would imagine hawks dust more than stock, no?Hawk.
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right here :wavey:
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i guess i'm not sure about the hps, but i know the hp+ dust pretty well... i use those on my rx7, and that stuff builds up fast when i'm on my brakes...
EDIT: i just looked at www.hawkperformance.com and they don't have anything for the speed6... or the 6 for that matter... am i missing something?
the hawks for the 6 have VERY LITTLE dust. It takes me about 3 weeks with the hawks to get the same dust as 4 days with stocki would imagine hawks dust more than stock, no?
i guess i'm not sure about the hps, but i know the hp+ dust pretty well... i use those on my rx7, and that stuff builds up fast when i'm on my brakes...
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hp+ or hps?the hawks for the 6 have VERY LITTLE dust. It takes me about 3 weeks with the hawks to get the same dust as 4 days with stock
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oh, and it looks like they don't have the '06 mazda model pads out yet... hopefully they'll have a hp+ option for the speed6...
2006 Owners take note:i would imagine hawks dust more than stock, no?
i guess i'm not sure about the hps, but i know the hp+ dust pretty well... i use those on my rx7, and that stuff builds up fast when i'm on my brakes...
EDIT: i just looked at www.hawkperformance.com and they don't have anything for the speed6... or the 6 for that matter... am i missing something? [/b]
Hawk ( and just about everyone else for that matter) does not yet make pads for the 2006 Mazda6 models. The pads are different from previous years.
Donny at RPM informs me that Carbotech DOES make 2006 pads but they're $99 per axle (twice what the Hawks cost).
Porterfield Brake also offered to custom-make a set for me, they would have to cut the backing plates, but it would cost around $120-$130 per axle, and they readily admitted a large part of the high price was having to custom make the pads.
For now, until the pads become more mainstream available and the cost settles down to a reasonable level, I'll just wash the wheels more often.
BTW: Putting some wax, any kind of wax, on the wheels does help in making the dust easier to get off.
Yup... I use Wheel Wax. You need to try it!!!! Advance Auto Parts has them.BTW: Putting some wax, any kind of wax, on the wheels does help in making the dust easier to get off.
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As soon as Axxis gets some for our cars in their Metal Master line I'll get those, no noise, great stopping power and VERY minimal dusting. I've used them on a few cars now with great success.
EBC makes a green stuff pad for the MS6. I used these on my IS300 and was pretty happy with them.
I'd read quite a few threads where people recommended waxing your wheels to prevent the dust from sticking to the wheels and stay away from wheel cleaner.
So about 2 months ago I gave it a try, waxed them thouroughly. I'd say I have 3-4 times less brake dust then before. And most of it just washes right off.
So about 2 months ago I gave it a try, waxed them thouroughly. I'd say I have 3-4 times less brake dust then before. And most of it just washes right off.
i know that most people would presume that aftermarket pads would lead to better braking, but i would want to be completely sure about this one.
the mazdaspeed6, at least in measured stops from magazine testing, brakes unbelievably.
the speed6 brake's might be some of the best ever by mazda. for instance, they do a 70-0 stop in 155 ft as tested by C&D. to put that in perspective, the average cost of a car that can stop in 155 or so per their road test digest of all tested vehicles, was around $100,000.
now, i abhor the brake dust - no one likes having 1 gunmetal and 1 silver rim on each side, lol. but i am worried about losing the nice feel and performance.
the mazdaspeed6, at least in measured stops from magazine testing, brakes unbelievably.
the speed6 brake's might be some of the best ever by mazda. for instance, they do a 70-0 stop in 155 ft as tested by C&D. to put that in perspective, the average cost of a car that can stop in 155 or so per their road test digest of all tested vehicles, was around $100,000.
now, i abhor the brake dust - no one likes having 1 gunmetal and 1 silver rim on each side, lol. but i am worried about losing the nice feel and performance.
I'm not sure you have accurate info there, I've seen plenty of cars less than $100,000 that brake as good or better than the Speed6. The Audi A4 in the March AWD shootout came VERY close to the same numbers as the Speed6 for example.i know that most people would presume that aftermarket pads would lead to better braking, but i would want to be completely sure about this one.
the mazdaspeed6, at least in measured stops from magazine testing, brakes unbelievably.
the speed6 brake's might be some of the best ever by mazda. for instance, they do a 70-0 stop in 155 ft as tested by C&D. to put that in perspective, the average cost of a car that can stop in 155 or so per their road test digest of all tested vehicles, was around $100,000.
now, i abhor the brake dust - no one likes having 1 gunmetal and 1 silver rim on each side, lol. but i am worried about losing the nice feel and performance.
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the info is good...just took it out of the september 2006 car and driver road test digest.
of course there are cars less than $100,000 that brake similarly or a bit better...otherwise my average price would have been much higher. the GLi for example, costs about the same as the speed6 and helps offset the average from the $240,000 ferrari f430 which stops only 4 feet sooner.
now, i understand there is more to braking than just 70-0 and fade resistence, but Gli excluded, youd have to spend at least $57,000 to find a car that brakes the same from 70-0 as the speed6. (EDIT: i added a bit of a buffer zone from 155 up as well, just to keep the numbers honest, and the results didnt really change)
there's just something i like about knowing a documented car and driver test found my car to stop more quickly from highway speeds than a: porsche 911 turbo s, bmw m5, corvette z51, 612 scaglietti, etc etc
anyway, i think my point comes through, im just trying to get the info/opinion out there for discussion. it just surprises me that the braking isn't more lauded.
as far as the a4, the digest must have different results than the test printed, because i have it here as:
A4 quattro 3.2, $41,520, 7.5/15.7, top speed 130, braking 70-0 175ft
of course there are cars less than $100,000 that brake similarly or a bit better...otherwise my average price would have been much higher. the GLi for example, costs about the same as the speed6 and helps offset the average from the $240,000 ferrari f430 which stops only 4 feet sooner.
now, i understand there is more to braking than just 70-0 and fade resistence, but Gli excluded, youd have to spend at least $57,000 to find a car that brakes the same from 70-0 as the speed6. (EDIT: i added a bit of a buffer zone from 155 up as well, just to keep the numbers honest, and the results didnt really change)
there's just something i like about knowing a documented car and driver test found my car to stop more quickly from highway speeds than a: porsche 911 turbo s, bmw m5, corvette z51, 612 scaglietti, etc etc
anyway, i think my point comes through, im just trying to get the info/opinion out there for discussion. it just surprises me that the braking isn't more lauded.
as far as the a4, the digest must have different results than the test printed, because i have it here as:
A4 quattro 3.2, $41,520, 7.5/15.7, top speed 130, braking 70-0 175ft
You can't do direct comparisions from a list, the cars have to be tested same day, same pavement, several tries then averaged, same driver, hence a shootout test.the info is good...just took it out of the september 2006 car and driver road test digest.
of course there are cars less than $100,000 that brake similarly or a bit better...otherwise my average price would have been much higher. the GLi for example, costs about the same as the speed6 and helps offset the average from the $240,000 ferrari f430 which stops only 4 feet sooner.
now, i understand there is more to braking than just 70-0 and fade resistence, but Gli excluded, youd have to spend at least $57,000 to find a car that brakes the same from 70-0 as the speed6. (EDIT: i added a bit of a buffer zone from 155 up as well, just to keep the numbers honest, and the results didnt really change)
there's just something i like about knowing a documented car and driver test found my car to stop more quickly from highway speeds than a: porsche 911 turbo s, bmw m5, corvette z51, 612 scaglietti, etc etc
anyway, i think my point comes through, im just trying to get the info/opinion out there for discussion. it just surprises me that the braking isn't more lauded.
as far as the a4, the digest must have different results than the test printed, because i have it here as:
A4 quattro 3.2, $41,520, 7.5/15.7, top speed 130, braking 70-0 175ft
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Don't get me wrong, the car seems to have very good brakes but it is not as world class in braking as your interpretation of the data you used might suggest.
Take your Z51 Vette number, several tests show a 60-0 of 110 ft for the Z51 and 121 ft for the Speed6, so.....
i wouldnt be surprised if car and driver uses the same testing grounds for most of their tests (provided they dont have to go to europe etc to test a new release). with abs and ebd, driver involvement in braking tests is pretty limited.You can't do direct comparisions from a list, the cars have to be tested same day, same pavement, several tries then averaged, same driver, hence a shootout test.
Don't get me wrong, the car seems to have very good brakes but it is not as world class in braking as your interpretation of the data you used might suggest.
Take your Z51 Vette number, several tests show a 60-0 of 110 ft for the Z51 and 121 ft for the Speed6, so..... [/b]
but, all that aside, i know what youre saying, and i believe it comes through in my previous posts that i realize you have to do direct comparisons. i wasny really interpreting anything, just looking at a reference guide.
back on topic...is it logical to replace just the front pads and leave the rears alone?
I've done it without ill effect, but ideally you want the same friction material on both front and rear unless you're doing some special brake setup and are factoring that in.back on topic...is it logical to replace just the front pads and leave the rears alone?
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